Almost everything the government does is illegal.

I have to pay for all of it myself.

I never get any benefit.

It reminds of the childhood complaint we never go anywhere, we never do anything, we never have any fun.

How would you define the conservative mantra or liberal mantra?

I just wonder since your libertarian mantra was worthless.

No, the Libertarian mantra is "Limited government, Free markets, Individual liberty, and Peace."

I don't know where you heard that other stuff.

From the teabaggers who post here.

I haven't been following that phenomenon too closely. Are they generally anti-big-government, or are they mostly anti-Obama, or are they too heterogenous to tell?

Are they Ron Paul types? That's who I think of when I think of Libertarians. That and Cato.

Bless Ron Paul for his anti-war stands and not much else but Cato and the likes of Grover Norquist come closer to what I'm thinking of with my description.

the libertarian is an anarchist. the conservative is a deluded fool who has mastered doublespeak, the liberal is a tyrant hypocrite.

Grover's too hawkish to be a libertarian. He claims to be a "small government" guy, if so he's singularly ineffective, obviously. Cato has what I regard as a sensible national security agenda, along the same lines as Ron Paul.

I'm not willing to dismiss anyone who wants to be active against big government, no matter how obnoxious they might be about it. The last administration and the current one have borrowed incredible amounts of money to "save" Americans from this or that calamity. Bush dispensed it via supplementals, which Congress rubber-stamped, but Obama is actually dispensing it through the Executive Branch, in consultation with "stakeholders".

Reminds me of 1940s Argentina or Mexico, except without Evita or Montezuma to make it feel good.