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The inevitable legacy of the Bush doctrine
by lloyd667

The Bush doctrine of "regime change" implies, of course, a new regime. In Afganistan, Bush chose Karzai. He (and now Obama) steadfastly supported Karzai even as his regime, unsurprisingly, descended into corruption. I would say that this corruption "culminated" in the fraudulent election, but it is a sure bet that even worse is in the pipeline.

Hitch is right that when (not if) we look back on our failure in Afganistan, this election will stand out as a milestone. Not because of the weakness of the UN, which is not fundamentally to blame for an event that has been years in the making, but because it exposed the bankruptcy of the Bush doctrine.

Re: The inevitable legacy of the Bush doctrine
by candoxx

The milestone was when Bush put Karzai in power and refused to share power with the Northern Alliance, while claimng that the US army did all the fighting, when in fact, what enabled a quick victory in Afghanistan was PRECISELY the local credible fighting force.

I expected a coalition, but Bush the IMPERIAL WIZARD would have none of that. He will not share his toys.

We lost, right then and there.

I remember the pontifical and foolish lectures on televison by neocons of how they would have an emergent leader (from the top down)! What a LOAD! You don't nation build without a credible local force, and even then, you can hardly do it.

Reality BITES.

Re: The inevitable legacy of the Bush doctrine
by kenyon19

Could be, or Bush's Legacy could be that while standing on the still smoldering pile of what was left of the twin towers that he followed thru on his promise to actually go after the guys responsible for the tragedy, and to stop turning a blind eye to terrorism and dictator bullshit.

Perspective is a crazy thing, isn't it?

Re: The inevitable legacy of the Bush doctrine
by cogitorum

Could be, or Bush's Legacy could be that while standing on the still smoldering pile of what was left of the twin towers that he followed thru on his promise to actually go after the guys responsible for the tragedy, and to stop turning a blind eye to terrorism and dictator bullshit.

Perspective is a crazy thing, isn't it?

Since the "guys responsible for the tragedy" (the 19 guys on the airplanes and their enablers) were mostly Saudis (none of them were Afghans), who hatched the plot in either Pakistan or Afghanistan, and finalized their plans in Hamburg whence they gained entry to the US, why didn't GWB attack Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Germany? Instead, he chose to bomb the mountains of southeastern Afghanistan and allow OBL to enjoy a secure retirement in rural Pakistan while the US pursued a pointless and dishonest war in Iraq, a country which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And GWB seemed to have no difficulty in continuing to tolerate "dictator bullshit" as long as they were "our" dictators: Musharraf and the al-Saud clan, for instance.

His "legacy" IS a matter of perspective, isn't it?

Not only that
by reJoinder

...but as the tool of the warlords and mujahideen, Karzai is little different than the Taliban. He's signed off on Sharia and the legal, authorized mistreatment of women (see: 'Shiite Personal Status Law') and obviously doesn't give a damn about clean elections either.

All the more reason to leave.

Re: Not only that
by lloyd667

kenyon,

You make a good point. I supported Bush's action in Afganistan, and was pleased to see the Taliban--protectors of bin Laden--toppled so quickly and easily. But that action did not characterise the Bush doctrine, nor get us to the sorry state we are in today.

Rather, it was the Bush administration's insistence on "democratizing" Afganistan, and imposing regime change on the rest of the Middle East. I am all in favor of democracy, and am not one of those who believes that that part of the world is too backward, or something, to be democratised. But imposing a regime at the point of an American gun and then giving it a democratic veneer via elections (a policy Hitch lauds, even now) is a recipe for failure.

Obama is now having to deal with the consequences of that failure in both Afganistan and Iraq. Wisely, he placed Iraq squarely on Bush and the Republicans. Unwisely, he chose in his election campain to champion Afganistan. He, in effect, made our military occcupation of that country his ward. It will be the greatest threat to the success of his presidency.

Hitch heatedly denies parallels with Vietnam, because such parallels point to the failure of policies he vigorously supports. But in Vietnam, too, we tried (unsuccessfully, needless to say) to impose a political regime and then legitimize it as "democratic". And it is difficult to ignore the similarities between the political positions of Obama and Johnson, both of whom inherited a war from their predecessors and, for reasons that are difficult for me to comprehend, made it their own.

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