I've noticed most-all of the commentaries about Obama and Fox will speak to every issue except the primary one - the longstanding intellictual dishonesty of Fox news.

The press commentaries have talked about the presidency as an institution, or Obama's personality, or his liberal supporters, or even commented on other commenatries. But they will avoid touching the primary issue, as though it were the third rail. That issue: Fox News is not a news organization - it is the propaganda arm of the agenda-driven right. They say up front that 'fair and balanced' means they're 'balancing' the reporting of actual news organization to favor the right wing. I've heard them say that.

In this conversation about Obama and Fox why is Obama the object of attention and not Fox?

Fuckers at GOP Party Central (Fox News) are mighty defensive these days, haven't you noticed? They're getting all offended and snappy when someone correctly calls their bullshit out and points to the fact that their media outlet is nothing but televised winger radio.

Fox's ratings are up 20%, and only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans.

Things that make you go hmmm.

And the rest are watching american Idol and voting for the guy CNN MSNBC NYT CBS NBC told them too.

MikeyD:

I've noticed most-all of the commentaries about Obama and Fox will speak to every issue except the primary one - the longstanding intellictual dishonesty of Fox news.

The press commentaries have talked about the presidency as an institution, or Obama's personality, or his liberal supporters, or even commented on other commenatries. But they will avoid touching the primary issue, as though it were the third rail. That issue: Fox News is not a news organization - it is the propaganda arm of the agenda-driven right. They say up front that 'fair and balanced' means they're 'balancing' the reporting of actual news organization to favor the right wing. I've heard them say that.

In this conversation about Obama and Fox why is Obama the object of attention and not Fox?

I saw a Fox News promo last night for an upcoming "news" report. Text of the promo: "Obama speaks to the troops. BUT, WILL THEY LISTEN?"

Now, I suppose Fox News might argue that a promotional announcement shouldn't count as news. But, jeeze! how can they have it both ways? Either they want to be taken seriously as a news organization or they don't. But posing a sophomoric "rhetorical question" as part of their promo pretty much gives the show away, doesn't it?

"In this conversation about Obama and Fox why is Obama the object of attention and not Fox?" Uh, because the latter is one of a handful of major domestic news outlets and the former is the leader of the free world? The notion that a media org has an agenda, is biased, or puts forth inaccurate news... is not exactly earth-shattering these days. The fact that a President would waste his time calling out just one network is disturbing and disquieting on many levels, something you may have noticed based on all this hubbub.

It wants to be treated and respected as legit journalism while it acts like nothing short of a sensationalistic conservative tabloid rag.

It isn't a news organization; it's an organ of the Republican party itself.

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Keep it up Obamacorn. Fox likes the extra viewers.

This doesn't help your case at all and definitely does not support your theory that CNN is the "Commie News Network". Did you even read the article? A quote:

"The results demonstrate once more the apparent preference of viewers for opinion-oriented shows from the news networks in prime time.

CNN has steered opinion hosts like Nancy Grace to HLN, while maintaining more news-oriented shows on CNN itself. When news events are not being intensely followed, CNN executives acknowledge, viewers seem to be looking for partisan views more than objective coverage."

So CNN (the one network that really does seem to embrace "we report, you decide") is actually losing viewers because they're just reporting the news and don't have a bunch of blowhards spouting off about it. If you think it's good news that citizens are turning to Fox or MSNBC to tell them what their opinions should be, you're sadly mistaken. And it definitely does not mean that anyone should be turning down the pressure on "news outlets" that are clearly partisan, no matter which side of the aisle they're on.

I've noticed most-all of the commentaries about Obama and Fox will speak to every issue except the primary one - the longstanding intellictual dishonesty of Fox news.

If Fox is intellectually dishonest then all news networks are dishonest. The fact is that all the other news outlets let Bush have it over the most mundane things- they are doing the same with Obama. Why? Why is reporting how much Bush golfs contributes to the narrative that bush is lazy, yet Obama golfs almost twice as much and is still considered "on the job?"

CNN is lame, but it doesn't present itself as something that it isn't. Fox News presents itself as being "fair and balanced", but we all know that's a bunch of bullshit. Its primary goal is to be opposed to whatever the Obama administration brings forth as policy. Hell, it's even admitted as much. But even so it still pretends that it's actual journalism and not tabloid propaganda.

Bush was the most vacationed president ever. Did that mean that he was lazy? Not really. It just meant that ol' George was a one task type of dude who didn't like the complex nature of his job. Obama, on the other hand, seems to thrive in his environment. And he sure as hell doesn't mind taking on multiple problems at one time. Hell, maybe TOO many at one time.

Bottom line is that Fox shouldn't expect anyone outside of the con movement to honestly take it seriously as a legit news organization. It isn't. And in not being so, it shouldn't bitch like little brats just because people like myself call its bullshit out for what it is.

Watch Fox before 5 pm and get fair and balanced.

I enjoy watching Fox over the others because the ladies are a lot better looking…………ha ha LOL!!!

it is so funny that you libtards are so critical of Fox News but say nothing about MSNBC. I watched them for 30 minutes and never want to watch it again. Talk about biased. Wow!! They make a conservative sick.

What this proves is you disagree with the opinion shows on Fox so they are dishonest and not truly journalists. Yet you agree with MSNBC , CNN, and the New york times therefore they speak the truth and are real journalists. I see bias on cnn. you dont think Joy behar on CNN isnt biased. Keith olbermann on MSNBC isnt biased. You are blind to this???

And by the way, hannity and Beck do not claim to be anything more than opinion commentators. Aside from these 2 hours aday, there really isnt much more than bland newsreporting on Fox.

They know this to be true . They just hate the idea of somone reporting the missteps of this administration.

THe difference between FOX and MSNBC is that you can have an opinion and still be honest, and you can have an opinion and be dishonest.

Pretending that any two opinions are equally dishonest because they oppose each other is dishonest in itself.

In fact, I hesitate to call MSNBC's reportage "opinion" because although saying something like "kicking puppies is cruel," or "Bush was a bad president" are *technically* value judgements it's hard to think of them as anything less than 100% accurate.