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by MIDAMER
It appears that the outcome depends on the quality of the lawyer not the argument. If true then is not every citizen entitled to a quality lawyer in all cases? And every advese outcome could be appealed solely on the basis of a poor quality, not incompetent, lawyer.
Re: ODD THIS
by Learnedtoe

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. In a nutshell: there are the FACTS in a case; there is the LAW that governs the case (either prior cases or laws passed by a legislature); there is the LAWYER who represents a client, there is the JUDGE who applies the LAW to the FACTS, and sometimes a JURY that determines which FACTS are true.

A skilled lawyer can be better at: 1) uncovering the FACTS of the case (through the expert use of discovery techniques and motion practice); 2) explaining to the JUDGE how the LAW, or in some cases which LAW, should be applied to the FACTS; 3) arguing and presenting the CLIENT's case to the JUDGE and JURY.

None of this means, of course, that EVERYONE is entitled to a highly-skilled lawyer. As Clement said yesterday during oral argument, "you get what you pay for." Having said that, if your lawyer commits outright malpractice, you have a remedy against her.

I think that the Chief Justice was playing when he suggested that it's the JUDGE and not the LAWYER who is responsible for getting things right--he knows well the benefits of high-quality lawyering.

And I think Justice Scalia was off base when he suggested that JUDGEs don't tell LAWYERs about the quality of their performance. They do it all the time--both when the quality is good and when the quality is poor.

Re: ODD THIS
by MIDAMER
Why am I not entitled to a quality lawyer?
Re: ODD THIS
by question?
Because you do not hav $5M
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