Endland.

That has a nice ring to it. It's like It's waiting for a good science fiction story to wrap around it.

on any actual facts.

=== Take that up with the likes of Lee Strobel, a legal fleegle skeptic who started out to disprove Christ by the factual record and ended up getting converted by the Evidence. ===

And you did get some of your facts wrong.

=== I am often in error, but not in the above post. ===

Jesus was never considered God until Constintine came a long

=== If you don't want to believe the New Testament, don't, but don't make up bullshit about people not believing Him God. Many fell before Him exclaiming, "My Lord and My God." Furthermore, men in those days understood that to be a Son of God was to claim parity with God. ===

As for Nicea, anything that did not agree with their political agenda was rejected.

=== Anything that did not agree with theinspired text was rejected, and rightly so. Arianism, in particular. ===

Many books as old as the Gospels were rejected because they did not claim Jesus to be a God,

=== They may not have, but were rejected because they weren't inspired text. Didn't meet the criteria which included what I described earlier and which in addition had to clarify or reveal mystery. Furthermore, antiquity does not necessarily lend credence to credibility. There is older fiction in ancient writing, and outright lies that are older than the official histories. That's because kings lied about their accomplishments and greatness. The texts circulated were esoteric, mainly gnostic denying the deity of Christ. There were even those that denied his humanity. ===

again, that came later.

=== Jesus, himself claimed to be God. ====

As for consistancy, let's review. Do you kill your enemies or do you love them?

=== There is a time and a season under heaven for both. Why do you ask? ===

OT and NT have differing opinions.

=== Really, show me where. ===

Lastly, I have read some of your racist, hate filled posts.

=== Hatefilled? I really think it is a matter of "who do you love?" Is it hateful to erradicate pure evil? Is it hatefull to put down a herd contaminated with hoof and mouth disease? No. It's not necessairly pleasent except for those who thirst for justice, but it is necessary. ===

It is unimaginable that your mental processes have ever been superchaged.

=== Of course you would feel that way. No surprise to me at all. The unregenerate, as I previously stated, are incapable of grasping, much less facing "The Truth". Your intellect is limited to that level of praise you get from your handlers for mouthing halfwit pinko platitudes.

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Go over to Multiply and type in Captain Greybeard & the Denjim which is my old MSN Site. Dayspring, who I think was Nano had posted there. Post to him there because I think Greybeard posts go immediately to his E-mail, ifin fact his E-mail addy isn't avaialble somewhere on the site.

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Why do you insist God is Two faced? He never changes. He never Lies. He gave us His Word, in the Flesh, in the Spirit and written on parchment. It is all totally consistent, more consistent that a man could contrive. If you know the plain Truths put forth in the Boible, then you know God. The more of the Truths of the Bible you know, the more you know of God's unchanging character, and therefore that's how well you know Go.

To know God intimately because of a combination of study & meditation on His Word, close fellowship in prayer and public worship is notonly possible, it is required. The more you know of God, the more you obey God, the more you know God.

Only the regenerate can see the face of God, but everyone knows the fce of God, for e sets His countenance for us or against us. God is not neutral. He probably hates lukewarmness more than cold.

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Looks like I've lost pretty much my entire membership of Captain Greybeard.

Sorry, I have no record of Dayspring or Nanotech. Didn't Slate used to have a "contact this author" button?

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If God is all things, if he is truly everywhere and part of everything it is impossible for someone to truly know Him, without being Him. Our minds are simply not built that way. What we see are the aspects that we are capable of seeing. That is, when it isn't simply our own made up dilusions. Others would likely see other aspects, their brains would interpret it differently.

As for the part about the BIble, again, it was a book written by men, in many cases I believe inspired men, but men, nontheless. But that book itself shows a changing character to God. Eye for an eye, turn the other cheek. Never work on the Sabbath, (a law Jesus himself broke), kill them down to the last beast and child, love your enemy. So on and so on.

Let's start with the last first. Yes, hate filled. It is clear from some of your racist posts that you live in hate and fear. There is really no other explaination for your mindless hatred of people different from yourself.

OT NT differences, ok, don't eat pork, it's ok to eat pork. Love your enemy, turn the other cheek, an eye for an eye.

As for the Bible, that's really the funny part. You claim that a book compiled after Constantine is proof of what everyone believed before Constantine. You claim the only texts that were included were "inspired" and yet you have no way to know this, other than they said so.

Again, sorry to burst your bubble but I gave you the facts. If you cannot handle them, I suspect that simply shows how shallow your faith actually is.

Oh, I failed to recognise the other of your shining talents: Complimenting your easy skill with pinko agitprop platitudes is your ability to parrot revisionist history. Uncanny. Your understanding of ancient documents and how the Bible was assembled and certified is fatally defective, yet you think nothing of flinging wild-assed accusations around that have no grounding in any reality but of those delusionals who taught you "Polly Want a Cracker" in order to exploit your egoistic ignorance in the market place.

An appropriate amount of hate and fear is a healthy reaction to one's environment. You, too have well displayed hates, and your fears are far less in control than mine. You hate yourself. You hate America. You hate God, little unborn children and you hate women. You love chaos and bullies. You are a psychophant, a perfect foil for the Stalin's of the world. You are an enthusiastic fool, a grateful dupe, a glorious goofball. You are a pinko. You are The Useful Idiot, The Moron for Mao. Fellow Travellor, Liberal, all these things describe the vile, loathesome, putrid slime hedonist brigand scum that defiles everything good, pure, holy, wholesome and bright. I have the good sense to hate sworn and proven enemies, and I have the good sense to rightly fear them. I hate evil and fear God. For liberals to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing. You hate your very Creator and the Land He blessed you with. You hate your brothers. You loathe yourself above every other thing otherwise you could not be so selfish as to be a liberal.

As for your flipant offhand observations about the supposed contradictions of the Bible: The Bible also says there is a season, time and a place for everything under the sun. Who are you to tell God when to forbid certain things and to whom He shall forbid them? You are a God hater. Yet you hate yourself even more because you elevate yourself above God. This is why you frantically contrive to stay dead, to stay out of that terrible light and in the comforting darkness of self-loathing and knife-edged, cold ignorance which you mistake for the bread from heaven.

As for the Canon of New Testament Scripture. Every book of the Bible had been written in its time as an account or letter. It had been circulating individually as parts of lesser collections of inspired works for 250 years or more amongst churches. One more standard was applied to Divine Text. A newer manuscript could not contradict already inspired text. The Old Testament had been identified and declared by the Jews to have Closed in 64 AD. They, too rejected the Apocrypha as not insp[ired. Not that it wasn't true, in many ways, but that it didn't meet their standard of inspired, either. The Christians agreed, taking in the Old Testament so certified and adding it to the Inspired New Testament Manuscripts.

These Canonical Counsels did not make any statement on the historicity of uninspired documentation, only on its inspired nature which is the only consideration to be taken in determining one's faith and practice and considering Holy Writ.

Later on, Eccleistica was elevated to the point where it could contradict Inspired Text quite directly and did and still does in the Catholic churches, the cults and in many falling Protestant sects like Episcopalians.

Some still cling to the Rock of Christ by embracing those 16th century reconstitutions of the early Christian Faith in giving Scripture Divine Authority. I invite you to find the Apostle Paul's approval of the Berians in that they tested every teaching by Scripture, and go on where he admonishes believers to do the same and listen to not even an angel of light if he contradicts the Scripture for there is no shadow of changing with the Lord.

The way I know that this exists is the way the Bible gives you to know. You can know the same thing by reading your Bible. There is power in Jesus' Name and there is Power in the Scripture. You can see it work if you can find your way clear to address the God you don't believe in just in case He does exist and ask Him to show you. Real complicated, huh.

You know Him because He so well fits that God shaped hole in your soul that your are so at a loss to fill.

And on Sundays... it is sooooo good! Every Sunday you can go to your church and sing praises to God with a whole bunch of others who call you brother in the name of the Lord and the Spirit of Peace and Joy ministers to The Body.

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He is truly everywhere, but not necessarily a part of things. He sustains all things by His Spirit. We can know as much about God as God created us to know, which is quite a bit:

That He is personal; spiritual; like us, Triune of three persons Father, Son and Holy Spirit comparing to our Body, Soul and Spirit. That He is Almighty, All Knowing and Present Everywhere.

However, we will not perfectly understand Him until we see Him face to face. We know Him by instinct now, so when we see Him in eternity, we will not have to be told Who He is. We know His face in that without seeing it, we know whether He has set His countenance against us or for us. We know His face veiled. When it says we cannot see His face, it means we cannot see it unveiled. Moses got a peek and it turned him white and glowing.

The Book shows no changing character of God. Each dispensation of Grace which you classify as God "Evolving" or "Growing" is God instituting processes and parameters of operation into the economy of Grace as part of His Plan that has been in place unaltered from before the foundation of the Universe. Before the Big Bang. The apparent process is for man's benefit, and God's glory. You see, in the Beginning was the Logos, Word, Logic....if you will. In this we are like God. For us it is an adventure requiring process in order to introduce us to facts that we will accept as conclusions. For us it is knowing and learning, bulding with sequence, relational. For Him it is foregone, instantaneous and tremendously logical. So logical as to be more beautiful than the subjective could ever hope to be, spawning emotions too intricate, delicate and overwhelming to describe that produces unadulterated joy.

The lesson is so simple. Want a sneak preview? Here it is:

"God's way is always the best way."

There won't be one man on earth that isn't fully convinced of that once God gives His Elect His level of understanding. You know that's in store for us, don't you? The elect, that is, whosoever will call upon the name of The Lord.

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