My son knows how I feel. He has become highly evolved because of it. He has been involved with his high school sweetheart for years and they have a very healthy relationship.

between a discussion where people give their opinions and where people just start name calling and ranting. while you may have been responding to what you felt were outrageous statements, does it further a conversation to vent your own outrage?

but one doesn't need to watch their speech if all one is doing is venting. depends on what your purpose in posting is, i suppose. i like for people to hear what i say. and if i actually have a good point, i like to think that maybe i helped someone think about something differently or talk about it differently. i know that's certainly what i get from coming to the fray.

but that's my purpose and understandably, not everyone else's. So, to each his own. I just get tired of everyone being negative sometimes and talking in circles when i feel that there is understanding that could be found if both sides would just communicate better...

My man hating daughter is now living with her aerospace engineer boyfriend. They do plan to get married and have kids when they are ready. This "manhater" has scores of male friends who adore her and her them. You are obviously an ignorant woman bashing man.

Deduction- Again a spot on philosopy in theory- be nice, be courteous, don't offend. By taking this approach though- a person can say absolutely anything, have no one respond, and continue on thinking they are right and everyone agrees with how smart they are.

You yourself are not even responding to her posts anymore. I would like to hear you address her issues. I've went back and read several of your old thread posts, and at the very least they are well presented and thought out (even if i disagree). She just can't stop though. I know you've read her last couple posts. She's just making up her own information. "Most men are addicts". Really? I mean come on!

so i'm just now seeing this last response. but, eh. what's the point? i already said i don't agree with bashing people based on gender and that i believe there are good guys out there (maybe that wasn't in this thread?). I understand that she's speaking from her perspective, from what she's seen. I'm unclear what she's saying other than that, though.

She says: My entire point is that there are not very many men out there who do not have substance abuse problems. That is why women (usually) are deciding that it is much easier to make a go of it alone.

She gives no proof of that. It sounds just like she's stating her personal anecdotal experience. I was writing it off as such and saw no reason to pursue it further. Perhaps it would be interesting to find out why she believes that this is the case- she only cites a few friends of her as examples. Maybe she hangs out with too many rich people? The wealthy are notorious drug users. The idea of lower class folks being the worse drug users was one of those myths they put out there back in the Just Say No days to stigmatize drug use (i just made that up, although it sounds like it could be true! ) Coming up in school, the worst drug users in my school were the affluent kids with too much time and money on their hands and parents who would leave them unattended for stretches of time...

Deduction- It's been good talking to you. Thanks for the last reply.

;) for whatever little it's worth...

"My entire point is that there are not very many men out there who do not have substance abuse problems."

Maybe women like yourself are driving us to drink! ;) Where's my whiskey.......

Again looking for love in all the wrong places....

Holy Cow ... (and by cow I mean hormonal single mother who hates her life and can't get past the Utah sized chip on her shoulder) ...What a load of verbal vomit that was!

This chick has some serious issues.

Look marinmom,

You tell yourself whatever you need to in order to get through the day. Yep, all men as a-holes. Yep, your kids are two of the most darling miracles that ever dropped out of a cervix, Yep, you're a true victim that should be pittied by all who pass you on the street. Yep, blah blah blah ... whatever.

You had your chance at a decent life and you passed it up to sleep with the first addict that told you your hair smelled nice. So, you take your misery out on the only people you have access to - your kids... that way you're sure to have at least two people who will agree with your point... You are great, Daddy sucks, Men are worthless and We are the best kids ever... all because of you.

Oddly enough without a man in their lives they will probably be gay ironicly ending up with men themselves.

If I were you I'd get therapy - or shock treatment. You've got time to make up for.

any valid points getadog... might have made were lost in an ad hominem rant towards the top poster. and what good will that do? well, i hope getadog feels better at least so that that vituperative exchange served some purpose....

Oh come on deduction. Wasn't what getadoginstead, wrote just a little bit funny? Didn't she earn that just a little bit? Laugh a little. You have got to stop defending this particular person. She doesn't deserve your efforts.

I have put up post after post laden with evidence. None of you negative posters have presented any evidence to the contrary. None of you has any argument that holds up to mine. Start telling me about dads who are functional and not drinkers,drug abusers, molesters,cheaters,beaters,gam­bling,overspending pigs.Oh, and jailbirds, too. Start telling me about the scores of men that you know that do not fall into this category. You probably know a couple of women who fall into it (mostly because they were victims of men. See Susan Smith, Andrea Yates). The majority of dysfunctional people you know will be men (see prison statistics.) If you don't know this, you have your head so far up your butt there is no hope for you.

I know deduction is going to get after me, but honestely, you can't possible be as ignorent as you sound, can you? You haven't presented evidence of anything. Deciding to have kids with a drug addict, is not (despite how bad you might want it to be) evidence that all men are drug addicts. Having a sister that has a husband that goes on hunting trips, is not evidence that all men are philanderes. (If your sister is anything remotely like you, he needs those trips just to keep his sanity by the way.)

People have not put up so called "evidence to the contrary" because every one else on here is smart enough to know that picking out one person they know and holding them up as the example of all of humanity, is a falicious and personally embarassing way to make an argument. Yes, i do in fact know men who have substance problems. It's also true that i know just as many women who have the same issues. It's a non-topic. Go back through and read every single post and i'm pretty sure that you won't find a single person who defends substance abuse around children. I'm not being a smart ass, but i really get the impression that you are a misquided seventh grader with a single working mom, who decided to hop on a board and defend her mom. I really hope i'm right about that, because it would go a long ways towards explaining your train of though.

Every thing you say is very stereotype based, but the funny thing is you will just make up whatever fits your needs. Just a small example: men are overspending pigs. Ok, i think most people would agree that it has traditionally been women who have had to deal with the "free spender" stereotype. No problem for you: just flip that around, present some "evidence"(my boyfriend hurt my credit, whah whah whah) - and poof- men are all wasteful spenders. Men actually tend to have higher FICO scores, but you knew that right?

I though I already pointed out to you once how murder has no place in this conversation, yet you keep coming back to it, so well take it real slow ok. People such as Yates are not a part of this conversation. They were extremely mentally ill. This is not a mental health debate. You don't know why some people are mentally ill, and neither do i. With this line of thinking we might as well discuss why some bad people don't get cancer and some good people do. It's pointless.

You continually reference prison statistics. Yes more men are in prison than women (although the gap has been narowing for years). But do you even know who you are really attacking when you say this? It is disportionally minorities who fill the prison system. Is it these minorities who fathered your children, and made you such a sexist? I though you were affluent and sucessful? You don't even know who you are attacking.

A more direct point. I personally have never known a man who has even been accused of molesting his children. I'm not naive, i know it exists, but you are an absolute idiot for suggesting that "most" men molest. It is truly an appauling suggestion, and in truth, has no basis in fact what so ever.

I can hardly wait to read your next brilliant insight.

that i am seriously lacking in the sense of humour department.... i try not to defend or attack. usually i am talking just to hear myself talk (or blogging to see myself blog? how does that work? hmmm).

have a good weekend all! ;)