A couple good links. One on how by accepting public financing candidates ensure "Clean Elections' and why and what it does.

And the second link is a quick look see at what unchecked funding can result in, ala Nixon's 'Campaign to re-elect the president(C.R.E.E.P.)(Nixon) which is the criminal activity that caused public financing to be created, after the Watergate Break-in and campaign activities of Nixon's 'C.R.E.E.P.' campaign, slush fund organization.

Again Public Financing was created to put an end to such activities or the potential for it happening again..it was a Federal effort to prevent that from happening again.

Again..this is why it was so despicable that Obama opted out on this public trust.

http://www.publicampaign.org/

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Woolley..it's just a thought, but I am guessing she might have gotten the idea Obama was in it for the money due to his Rezco Sweetheart Mortgage Deal.,and also ,perhaps his most very recent slickster and actually quite, despicable move of opting out of public campaign financing.

Again, as I posted last week...no presidential candidate has ever opted out of campaign financing since Watergate.

~Why it is bad that Obama opted out of this:Public Financing was started after Watergate as a way to ensure that no candidate would do what Nixon did with his C.R.E.E.P org.(you should Google that and read up on what it was about)and use slush funds and enormous sums for campaigns without being bound by some limits on the amounts they receive. And, also by agreeing to the public funds they are then bound by signatory to abide by the rules of the public trust of this allocation of funds,not to engage in any 4th amendment privacy rights violations and or slanderous activities, against their opposition contenders.~

By opting out of campaign financing, Obama, 1.) Broke his word on his pledge not to opt out and 2.): is now under no public financing contractual rules given to those who accept public campaign financing by or any monetary limitations whatsoever. (of course every citizen and candidate has to obey the law. But, by Obama opting out of accepting public financing he will have no federal oversight as it relates to those candidates who accept public financing, as he has chosen not to engage in this Federally overseen public protection.)

As I said last week this is so shameless there just is no defending it.And I noted last week even the most liberal media couldn't and likely wouldn't defend that move by Obama.

And I noticed ,even Slate writer, John Dickerson ,who has thus far, been pro Obama, even criticised him and wrote a article last week , on this very issue, when Obama announced he was opting out of it and broke his former pledge not to do so.

So, yeah, I would agree with jegal..money is clearly a huge motivating factor in Mr. Obama's life.

And 'dirty money', at that..if the Rezco deal is any indicator.and it certainly is.

Bad as that was, the opting out of public financing is a real bad omen, as well, from Mr. Obama

bad. Man, you are searching pretty hard to dig this shit up. The next thing you will come up with is that raising two little girls to be so nice means he is a monster and beats them privately. Is there no end to your obsession with dragging him down in spite? Its getting old and quite immature to tell you the truth. Its one thing being passionate during the primaries, its quite another to be this absurd at this point. You have a choice to make. Are you a democrat or a republican? Pick sides and if you choose McCain, start calling yourself a Republican and donate to Joe Lieberman.If you are a Democrat, get on board with the program.

If you want this thread to DIE, then stop bumping it. When you post to it you bump it back to the top of the page and back to the front page of the fray picks.

And give it a thumbs DOWN to help offset all the thumbs up Nightie has given it with her sock puppets. Once it nets a negative 5 rating it will disappear no matter how many times she and her friends bump it.

If you reply to this post then you will prove that you really want to bump this post. If you don't give it a thumbs down then you will prove that you really don't care that it is absurdly and falsely rated.

Today's word is IGNORE. IGNORE this post no matter how many times Nightie posts to it with her different accounts. She will finally get the message. Even drunks eventually get the message.

I've gone over his corruption ad nauseum in past blogs....if you haven't been able to do your own research into it yet, then fuck you.

I'll go with what LM said and add to it the above and toss in FIMA.

And thx.

Isn't it amazing how the Obama supporters so desperately want to stamp out all critiques of him?
They are so strange. Look at that new poser,sockpuppet, notbumpworthy, is so obsessed with this thread that he/she creates a new pose to attempt to get posters to get it blocked somehow. How very naziesque of the Obama types. gad.

Anyway, it's fine with me if this thread fades away now.I have it saved in my Favorites box with a couple other check marked posts and a few other posts I want to keep.

It's had an incredible run and was quite a phenomena.

It made me very happy. Almost 5000 views. It stunned me when it hit 800 way back when..now almost 5000! It's amazing! I think it has close to 40 replies to the top post itself and who knows how many hits and additional replies..hundreds upon hundreds.

It's been a good run.And there were some great discussions within despite the bitter Obama types.

Hope to see you again soon on Trailhead Fray or BOTF or Poltics, Fray soon, jegal. You know for slumming and respite Ballot Box is always lots of fun and a real hoot, too.

Enjoy The fray, jegal and see you soon!
Thanks for all your support. You are a doll!

;-)

I recall Geoff posting that what you are suggesting is very despicable activity. But then you are already using a sockpuppet to suggest that people do what you you do.

Honestly, I hope you find peace with yourself one day and don't feel such a need to stalk like this and pose in sockpuppets ,as you do.

The thread should fade away now..it's run it's course. In that regard I agree with you. However the use of sockpuppets is very immature and seems to suggest a deeper problem with you.

And you know..this post was checked marked by the editor. I imagine you figure I somehow posed as an editor and magically did that somehow as well. Truth is. I didn't use any sockpuppets to uprate it. The 15 uprates are all legitimate and did my heart a world of good as did the Editor's Pick.As did the bunch of great Congrats I received from several near and dear good fray friends when I got it, from Lil, SN, Phoenix,MaryAnne,TheBell, etc. Why you feel so pre-occupied with me, is strange but that's your problem.

Peace out.

Woolley:

bad. Man, you are searching pretty hard to dig this shit up. The next thing you will come up with is that raising two little girls to be so nice means he is a monster and beats them privately. Is there no end to your obsession with dragging him down in spite? Its getting old and quite immature to tell you the truth. Its one thing being passionate during the primaries, its quite another to be this absurd at this point. You have a choice to make. Are you a democrat or a republican? Pick sides and if you choose McCain, start calling yourself a Republican and donate to Joe Lieberman.If you are a Democrat, get on board with the program.

That's a bit naive' Wool, even for you. Just because his little girls behave well in public doesn't in any way change the fact that for their entire lives they have been subjected to a weekly Sunday dose of being exposed to Reverend Wright with him suggesting the United States Government methodically planned and infected Blacks wirth HIV and screeching how the United States is having 'The Chickens Coming Home to Roost' when America is attacked by Muslim Terrorists.

That is inexcusable and akin to child abuse in my view.

thx jegal. Just thought I'd bring this lovely historic post back to the fore as it looks like our girl Hill is going to give a great speech at The Democratic National Convention! ;-)

Bully for Hillary!

(as to my post here..I don't know of any other post that has ever garnered over 4000 Views and hundreds of hits like this one..not to mention the Ed's Pick and the 15 legit uprates before the Obamatron sock puppets hit it ,facists that they are) (smile)

Should be sweet and Kudos to PUMA for their courage and reminding us all of her courageous and historic campaign.

In the end we all know she was tied and had the big MO against Obama.

It was only DEAN and the Donna Brazile DNC who were hell bent on pushing this unvetted Obama through...and it's pretty clear now..he's gonna lose.

The DNC's gonna have so much 'splainin' to do for a very very long long time.

That is,if they even survive this debacle that was election 2008.

Best to all.

Jezus, LAM, how long ya gonna keep pimping this old thread?

Goin' for a longevity record?

;-)

lol . I don't know..TP ya gotta admit..it's a crazy thread! Almost 5000 hits! Wow! I am as amazed as anyone!

Stunning!!!

but then again I have other Ed's pick's that have gotten big numbers... so what can I say?

;-)

This thread refuses to die because Hillary’s candidacy refuses to die. Hillary declared her suspension of her campaigm, but she did not terminate her campaign. The campaign will continue untill convention in late August when one candidate is officially nominated and not before. She did not terminate her campaign because she has enough delegates and sufficient number of uncommited super delegates who might still vote for her in the convention. There is a mechanism for her to have her name put in as nominee to be voted on in the convention.

Of course if this happens, it will involves a convention floor fight, which scares the Democrats, because when this happens in the past, they always loose to the Republicans. This is the dilemma the Democratic Party faces. He had won a big chunk of support but not enough to close the deal. As time progresses towards convention time, many people are having doubts about Obama’s winability against McCain. Yet Obama fails to win over Hillary’s supporters and unite the party behind him. Obama’s supporters say it is Hillary’s fault for not throwing her full support behind Obama. Hillary’s supporters says it is Obama’s fault for not treating them with respect. That is why all squabling and fighting between the two camps.

There are ways to solve this dilemma. Obama can persuade a majority of the super delegates to declare publicly to lend their support for him and stop Hillary’s campaign. Obama can pacifiy Hillary’s supporters by selecting her fo fill the vice presidency spot, and that will unit the party. Obama can persuade enough independents that he is the right man for the President job, so to improve his polls over McCain at least by 10 or more points. This improve in poll numbers will persuade the super delegates to make up their mind. Finally, Obama can offer Hillary enough incentives (to be determined by Hillary) to obtain her full support and to unit the party. The undecided Super delegates are withholding their decisions and hope things will turn out without having they commiting one way or the other.

It is interesting times between now and Convention time.

Interesting choice of alternic; "Man from V" - V is for "Venus" we presume? Ah, we get it - this time you're portraying an evolved man from a feminist perspective, But see, the problem is that we still know it's you. Because you're still drunk.

This post and thread has the stink of a rotting corpse. A corpse/personal glory hole you cannot stop viewing - the majority of those "4,000 views" are yours alone.

Here's to 5000 by September. ('hic)

bertrand, you represents what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Your extreme anger and partisan politics have poisoned the nomination process. You refuse to see and reason. You hung on to some illusion and refuse to move even as reality proves you are might be wrong.

I will challenge you to refute my observation and give your reasons, otherwise stop responding. Cheers and have a good day.

how my alleged "extreme anger" and "partisan politics" are visible only to you. I did not realize that my stepping in to nudge the drunk was a political move. But if you say it is so, LaurieannM, then it must be true.