If you are not phenotypically black and have not experienced economic disadvantage, you do not know what it is to live in the world of black America

Nonsense!

There is nothing at all original or unique about the sufferance of the black community. The same scenario has been repeated time and again for each and every culture block accepted into this country as it has grown and absorbed its immigrants. The slavery issue such as it is/was no longer has any bearing on the evolution of the social stratum now being developed and sustained. Overblown...plain and simple...just overblown

paranoia!

It is what we must do because white America has no interest in seeing us thrive

You should work within your own community because it is the right thing to do period! The above mentioned martyr's fuel is just too misinformed to give it any real credence in the form of rebuttal and is as pure a form of racism as I have seen here.

Sure there is still an enclave of ignorant asses who think their white skin makes them better...so what? You can't change their stupid minds for trying so why waste your energy???

Economic opportunity is available to everyone without prejudice. There are millionaires of all skin colors and cultures in our society and the common factor has nothing to do with race...hard work...just that simple...hard work.

Dating implies that the persons involved see each other as equals. No amount of political or religious rule-making can correct ethnocentricism.

... this post is a good example.

Firebird

A sentence in your post read: "considered racial terrorism every else around the world expect stupid people like you."

Did you mean to say: "considered racial terrorism to everyone else around the world except stupid people like you.?"

"stupid people"

Hmmmm ...

Firebird

Does this mean that men generally have deemed women their equals?

-j

White Civil Rights leader: Howard Zinn. Google him or check out the documentary film "You can't stay neutral on a moving train". He wrote "The People's History of America" among other things. I didn't know anything about him until I saw this movie.

Gringo believes this as do many white males. At least Gringo is honest about it.

For those rants to be really considered PREJUDice - ie PRE Judgement without basis in facts, requires that

1. Society no longer give whites and white males in particular, unearned privileges in a daily basis
2. White Males as a whole, not take Affirmative Action and minority success as a threat to themselves and therefore avoid reacting as though they were threatend.

We know both 1 and 2 are not true. I'd say this isn't prejudice, it is T.Jefferson's Avenging Angel we reap what we sow. And society still sows hatred of minorities.

Could you be more specific in explaning what you said about me? Please, stop using the code words, and tell me specifically what you meant.

Those of us who are emotionally secure generally do. Those who tend to regard the mothers of their children to be in any way "inferior" have diminished humanity; this, not just Hitchens' God-mania is the root of war, the idea that one cannot elevate oneself without demeaning others.

I firmly believe that if Jews and Arabs in Palestine dated and intermarried freely, the entire basis of that conflict would dissipate. That one side cannot conceive of the women on the other side as marriageable is at the root of their derangement.

>For those rants to be really considered PREJUDice - ie PRE Judgement without basis in >facts, requires that

This skinhead hates all whites. He is a racist. Plane and simple. Don't make up excuses for that. Don't be a white uncle Tom.

>Society no longer give whites and white males in particular, unearned privileges in a daily >basis

Depends on what you mean by "society". The government law and regulations? Most definitely not. Some private individuals - most definitely some of them do. Of course, there are racists in any society, so what's your point?

>White Males as a whole, not take Affirmative Action and minority success as a threat to >themselves and therefore avoid reacting as though they were threatend.

Ah. Now we got a little bit of pure fascism. What does the term "white makes as a whole"? What the hell does it mean? Is it the same term as "Jew" in Mein Kampf?

Secondly, discrimination based on race, aka "affirmative action" is racist. It comes at no surprise that all people of good will (white, black, asian, brown) would be against it. It's an afront to decency, and all normal people see it as a threat - even if they can benefit from it.

As for the minority success - you see, we are all minority. You should be a tad more careful when you use terms like this.

>We know both 1 and 2 are not true.

Actually, we know the 1st is true, while the 2nd is so badly formulated, it's not even obvious what you are trying to say.

>I'd say this isn't prejudice,

Hating all whites is not prejudice? Hm. In this case, does it mean that you hate yourself? I mean, you are white, right?

> it is T.Jefferson's >Avenging Angel we reap what we sow. And society still sows hatred of minorities.

When you said "we" - did you include yourself in this description? And if so, could you explain what you personally did - that makes it okay to punish you? I am all anticipation.

Sure. But, clearly, many men still don't think women are their equals in any number of ways, so dating them doesn't necessarily mean they do. Surely not in the past. The fact that this is sad is true, but life is often sad.

The emotional connection needed clearly suggests that when it is deemed possible, a fundamental bridge is crossed. This is suggested by any number of movies (e.g., My Big Fat Greek Wedding) where different groups come together and see a basic connection.

So, I agree with your basic sentiment. Up to a pt.

-j

bravo nmd2000!

How tpical of you Gringo start off with name calling.

Depends on what you mean by "society". The government law and regulations? Most definitely not. Some private individuals - most definitely some of them do. Of course, there are racists in any society, so what's your point?

ERNH sorry gringo, the research by organizations as diverse as the Federal Reserve Bank of New England, Chicago Housing Authority, MS. Magazine, LAPDs Internal Affairs, and various teaching colleges all support that racially based unearned privileges accrue to whites.

And when you get court decisions like the recent Seattle SD decision, that pretends we have a colorblind society (and ignores the legal racism causes of seattles segregated housing stock), you have a government that lets the laws be used to enforce and continue this racially based privilege.

Secondly, discrimination based on race, aka "affirmative action" is racist. It comes at no surprise that all people of good will (white, black, asian, brown) would be against it. It's an afront to decency, and all normal people see it as a threat - even if they can benefit from it.

First off, the opposition to AA is almost exclusively white and primarily male. Sure you have some insecure minorities like Thomas, Connerly and Watts who have to believe in their Horatio Alger self-mythology to assauge their egos, but Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Ben. Hooks, L. Guinier and similar - individuals of actual accomplishment - more than offset them.

And no, Affirmative Action isn't racism. Racism is the application of untrue mythos based on physiognomic markers. Affirmative Action simply accepts the imposition of those markers by those with power (whites) and applies mechanisms that ameliorate the FACTUAL unearned privileges that are given to whites and white males in particular. To equate that with racism is to equate D-Day with Pearl Harbor.

>We know both 1 and 2 are not true.

Actually, we know the 1st is true, while the 2nd is so badly formulated, it's not even obvious what you are trying to say.

OK - show me the data that supports your claim that whites no longer get unearned privileges. Refute the work by FRBNE on how whites get preferred treatment in mtg applications, the work by CHA on how whites receive preferred treatment in housing, the outcome of the Rampart scandal where LAPD relied on racism for their targets, the in class research that shows that even the best teachers give white males more chances to get answers correct, the broad anti-immigrant response focussed on meztisos, academic research on the impact of accents on hiring etc.

Sorry, you have no data to back your claim and the data to the contrary is overwhelming. Sorry ERNHH

>I'd say this isn't prejudice,

Hating all whites is not prejudice? Hm. In this case, does it mean that you hate yourself? I mean, you are white, right?

Acknowledging that my choices have given others reasons to dislike or hate me isn't the same as hating myself. Furthermore, as the poster corrected you, its not about "hating" all whites, its about being angry at all whites for their continued willingness to benefit from racism. And since the benefits of racism continue, and most whites actively oppose eliminating those benefits, and ALL take advange of them, yeah, the poster has a rational basis for anger.

Anger based in factual harm isn't prejudice anymore than the USA being angry at Japan for Pearl Harbor was prejudice.

> it is T.Jefferson's >Avenging Angel we reap what we sow. And society still sows hatred of minorities.

When you said "we" - did you include yourself in this description? And if so, could you explain what you personally did - that makes it okay to punish you? I am all anticipation.

Yup, we includes all of us. I receive unearned benefits EVERY DAY in being white and male. And while I often notice them, I usually don't resist them - and sometimes I take explict advantage of them (something as simple as stopping by an elite yacht-club and running in to use their restroom when I had a stomach flu despite not being a member).

Am I as deserving of emnity as you? Probably not. But much of my extremely comfortable life is a direct consequence of my willingness to take advantage of those privileges just as you do.