Anybody know how cottage industries work? Jared is an example of one.

How then, deary, do you explain this eyewitness account?

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This link can be found on your AmRen Wikipedia entry. Your coming here and saying that you don't know any members of the klan won't fool anyone. Dinesh D'Souza, no less, claims to have bumped into Duke and yourself chatting amiably at one of your conventions. Do you deny this? According to David Roddy of the Pittsburgh Gazzette:

"Taylor's strategy when I confronted him was to deny things that are easily proven. He insisted American Renaissance had never published an article in which theocratic writer Rousas J. Rushdoony denounced interracial marriage as Biblically unsound."

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I one time saw you on the old Queen Latifah show defending racial profiling to a room full of African-Americans, so I doubt anything like integrity would matter much to you. Everything you stand for makes me sick. At least have the guts to admit you are a racist. I have more respect for skinheads.

The poster who questioned if you really are Mr. Taylor had a good point. How do we know you are for real?

Here's another article - this one from a source one might expect would be sympathetic to Mr. Taylor and his racist "racialist" views.

I find it fascinating that he is apparently married to a women who is Jewish, and who allegedly was instrumental in undermining Duke's campaign for governor. A quick review of the comments section of his website reveals many patently offensive, racist comments - some of which are directed against Jews as well. It is difficult to imagine how his wife might reconcile herself to her husband's activities, and the sentiments which fester on his website, and in his conference.

It is difficult to imagine how his wife might reconcile herself to her husband's activities, and the sentiments which fester on his website, and in his conference.

Not much different than being a terrorist for hire

"Hey, honey how was the Taliban meeting tonight?"

"Good honey, I sold some vests for tonights par-tay, baby! I tell you a sucker is born every nanosecond."

Same motivation, it's a job.

Sandrali really cannot make an argument of any kind. Guilt-by-association is his (her?) only stock in trade. That and name-calling are the most graceless ways of admitting you have lost the argument. Very sad, Sanrali.

Indeed, in 1994 I spoke to David Duke in the lobby of a hotel. I also spoke to Dinesh D'Souza in the same lobby of the same hotel. I suppose that makes me an acolyte of Dinesh D'Souza.

As for racial profiling, because I have sound reasons to defend it, I will defend do no matter who is in the audience. To maintain the same principled position under all circumstances is an important aspect of integrity.

I started this thread in the hope that Mr. Saletan or someone else would point out examples of "abuse of science," which are reported to be legion in my magazine. I see I was wasting my time. I will waste no more.

Jared Taylor

You gather categorical statistics (crime by ethnicity, for instance), and then pretend like you understand the nature of causality. That is an intentionally myopic abuse of science.

But I'm sure you don't need me to explain it to you - a bright, Harvard-educated man such as yourself.

Jared,

You blame on race what is really a blame to be placed on culture. Funny your solution is in fact to change culture in such a manner that segregation (freedom of association if you like) at first will lead to greater polarization and then eventually to genocide. Genocide is the only possible outcome and that you as a proponent of this idea you must be well aware of. So it must be your end game.

You think people ignorant to state that we don't have freedom of association and yet it is evident throughout America that we are by and large segregated by race. What bothers you is that we are less segregated by socio-economic factors. You don't like the black family that moves in next door to your house. Why? Mostly because of cultural differences though you'd ascribe them to racial differences. If I was interested in keeping people out of my neighborhood I'd try to undermine their economic ability to do so. I'd do that by segregating them. Another actual objective of your kind is to take away the earning potential of the mud races.

I'd advise race conscious people to move to S. Africa and to third world countries because you will get what you want, actual segregation of the races. You will be able to live in white comfort much more easily than you will in the states.

Dear GeneralDisarray,

I do not think Harvard should get attribution for Samuel Jared Taylor, he is a Yalie. Madison Grant was a Yale grad and Samuel George Morton was a Penn man. There are scientific racists/race realists who are/were Harvard faculty or graduates (e.g. William Z. Ripley, William McDougall, Richard Herrnstein, Charles Murray, Steven Pinker, E.O. Wilson, and Jared Diamond). Jared Diamond is a sometimes race realist as he has published papers in Nature claiming that ethnic groups may vary in gonad size and in intelligence. Jared Diamond in his Nature paper "Jewish Lyzosomes" theorized that Jews might be more intelligent due to gene differences in genes involved in lyzosome function. This theory has been expanded upon more recently by the race realists Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending. Dr. Diamond also theorizes that New Guinea highlanders are more intelligent than whites due to natural selection effects; however according to Richard Lynn the empirical data indicate that New Guinea natives are actually less intelligent than whites.

In Whites there is a strong correlation between lower IQ and higher crime rates. Are you of the opinion that the higher crime rate of Blacks (about 8 to 12 times higher than Whites) and of Hispanics (about 3 times higher than Whites) would still be at these much higher levels if the Black and Hispanic IQ means were equal to the white IQ mean? If you believe this then you must believe that there is a special correlation between lower IQ and crime that holds for Whites but does not obtain in the case of Blacks and Hispanics.

No, I don't think the rates would continue to be at the same multiple, but yes, I do think there's an interaction effect being expressed here.

Why?

Oh, and I already know that intelligence and educational aren't protective in the case of prejudice. Sorry for my mistake on Jared Taylor's alumni status. I'm sure Harvard will be relieved.

As an aside, I've been feeling sort of inspired by the idiosyncratic terminology employed by this group of people. I'm thinking of starting up a newsletter for "gender realists."

You think anybody will mind if I refer to myself as a misogynorealist, or misogynicist? It sounds so, oh I dunno - academic, doesn't it?

"Dr. Diamond also theorizes that New Guinea highlanders are more intelligent than whites due to natural selection effects; however according to Richard Lynn the empirical data indicate that New Guinea natives are actually less intelligent than whites."


I am not aware of any "racialist" theories attributed to Jared Diamond and I have not read the articles in question. However, I have read his comments on New Guinea islanders, stressing that these so-called "primitive" people (not his characterization) seem to him much more intelligent (alert, questioning) than "whites" because their environment constantly challenges them - I don't remember him mentioning "natural selection" as such. Quoting Richard Lynn, who has been shot down repeatedly by other less biased scholars (as quoted and linked on this thread), as an authority on the intelligence of NG natives is laughable. Of course (as Jared Diamond explains) if some of these people have been tested on tasks for which nothing in their lives has prepared them, they might appear to be wanting, but JD also comments on the fact that he appears stupid to New Guineans because he is so unprepared for coping with the challenges that they face with ease. In a similar vein I wrote elsewhere about Franz Boas encountering Eskimos and finding them at least as smart as he himself was. No doubt he appeared stupid to them in many respects. When you deal with people as they are, without trying to view them through the prism of your own prejudices (such as "I must show them who is the boss, or the smartest"), you find the same distribution of smartness or lack thereof as you would in your own society.

This was a great PBS show:

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Jared Diamond

Jared, I watched your interview on the old Queen Latifah show. The video is on Youtube. I actually found your reasoning quite sound. And in the end, we all do it anyway, depending on where we are. Sometimes racial profiling is rational profiling. I don't think it's a nice thing, but sometimes one's reactions rests upon statistical probabilities, common sense, and reality.

It is difficult to imagine how his wife might reconcile herself to her husband's activities, and the sentiments which fester on his website, and in his conference.

Probably no different than women who live with men, who hate women. There are plenty of men who feel that women are inferior yet they still get married and the whole bit. I think the same logic holds true in other types of relationships. I think it's very possible for people of different races or ethnicities to be lovers and still feel one is unequal.

Find his reasoning to be sound?

Jared Taylor examines a dynamic process, selects a single aspect of it that fits his biases, and implies causality. He conveniently ignores the circular impact of racism/racial profiling on the individuals being "profiled", and instead suggests that the problem is, those black men are just inclined to violence.

Jared Taylor pretends to be part of the solution, but he is, in fact, part of the problem. We have a Unitarian minister in town who happens to be black. He testified in front of the State Legislature that he was pulled over eight times the prior month - yet he never received a citation (he was breaking no law, except the unwritten one hereabouts of driving while black). It's a good thing he's such a fine man - otherwise, what impact do you think this would have on his sense of belonging in the community? Jared was summarily rousted from a debate in Canada recently, and complained of unconscionable treatment - he objects to being considered a racist. Yet this minister objects to being considered a criminal. What is the difference?

Racial profiling violates the constitutional rights of people, and it reinforces the problem it purports to address.

Transboy, you find this line of reasoning compelling?

You also missed my point about Jared's wife. Jared has had nothing directly negative, that I've seen anyway, to say about Jewish people. On the other hand, he does little to counter hate speech directed against Jewish people. I was wondering how his wife could tolerate the obvious hypocrisy, and abstinence from her vicarious defense.

You think racial profiling is okay because on reality TV cop shows they only show you where their gut was right and the SUV full of blacks has crack and pipes.

Nevermind the other stops of the other 7, 8 or 99 blacks in SUV's that yielded nothing other than blacks knowing they live in a police state.

I just glanced around your website. It's distasteful to read the articles, in much the same sense that it's distasteful for me to walk around a maze of funhouse mirrors. Two articles I did glance at are Lynn's "Race and Psychopathic Personality" which is an offensive excuse for academic writing (we can go over specifics if you'd like), and a funny little quote in your article on "Hispanic Consciousness":

"Salt Lake City, Utah, is hardly a traditional Hispanic stronghold, but it saw its Hispanic population increase 138 percent during the 1990s, from 84,597 to 201,559."

That one actually made me chuckle, given the size of the city.

It's distasteful to be reading that effluvia, but if you want to talk more about it, or more pointedly, about the nature of the arguments you make using your crime data as support, or that ridiculous Lynn article, feel free to come on back.