gringo_911:

You claim that all whites stick together - a typical anti-semitic claim.

You're losing it Gringo, claiming that only semites are white? And "all whites stick together"??

Stop smoking and address the issues such as the Catch-22 redefinition of racism that you've make that makes MLK's Freedom March a racist event.

it comes essentially from your argument that whites vote for whites and hire only whites - which is same argument made against the Jews in the USSR. In fact, the government quotas on the Jews in the USSR was specifically justified by same line of argument - that Jews help the Jews, and poor Russian boys cannot get career advancement. I am sure you are familiar with this line of argument, so you should stop pretending that you don't understand me.

Secondly, byt YOUR standard, the Civil Rights' movement was racist according to your own views, because it demanded the state and business to adopt color blind treatment of all citizens, while you insist on discrimination.

This is btw, why great majority of the people in this country are against "affirmative action", even the blacks themselves.

The city could not simply throw out the test result, because it would consitute disparate treatment - illegal under Chapter VII...

The ruling doesn't require a defense. It requires an assessment/analysis to determine if a selection or promotion system is actually exhibiting disparate impact under the law or is, in fact, a valid and necessary system that happens to yield less-than-desirable (from a diversity standpoint) results.

No my arguement simply means that most whites will vote and act to defend their existing unearned privileges. .

Civil Rights movement did not demand color blind treatement. It demanded EQUAL Opportunity.

and no, the majority of minorities are NOT against 'affirmative action'. Not the least of which prominant minorities like Rice, Powell, Sotomayor, Obama. Its guys like Thomas, Sewell, et. al. who somehow believe that without AA their accomplishments would be seen at "full face value" by racists that are in the small minorty that believe AA should go away.

Like I said, you are losing it. That's not even good logic.

All that I've said is that whites will act and vote to defend their personal priviledges.

degsme:

Like I said, you are losing it. That's not even good logic.

All that I've said is that whites will act and vote to defend their personal priviledges.

False logic. A myth even. If that were true then the Civil Rights Act would never have happened.

What did you a racial stereotype based on a myth Degsme?

Civil Rights Act almost did NOT happen. It happened largely because those whites who DID support it, did not see it as a threat to their own lifestyle. Later when they were faced with integration of THEIR neighborhood, we saw 'white flight".

Read the law. An assessment/analysis to determine if the selection is biased is not required in the law. Nor does Kennedy require such an assessment. But such an assessment is the core of defending a disparate outcome and has all the costs associated with it.

degsme:

Read the law. An assessment/analysis to determine if the selection is biased is not required in the law. Nor does Kennedy require such an assessment. But such an assessment is the core of defending a disparate outcome and has all the costs associated with it.

It IS required by law. The respondent must prove a legitimate nondiscriminatory reason for there actions. The court said that to to use disparate impact as a defense they needed a strong basis in evidence that the test was invalid. They didn't have one.

went far beyond the Civil Rights law of 1964. Read the text of the law.

No my arguement simply means that most whites will vote and act to defend their existing unearned privileges. .

What kind of action? Choosing less qualified whites? Trading only with whites? Well, if this is your argument - then indeed it repeats the anti-semitic myths - jews stick together, whites stick together.

Civil Rights movement did not demand color blind treatement. It demanded EQUAL Opportunity.

The law stated that no discrimination is allowed.

Here are the words of the lw:

DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN

SEC. 703. (a) It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer--

(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

(b) It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employment agency to fail or refuse to refer for employment, or otherwise to discriminate against, any individual because of his race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, or to classify or refer for employment any individual on the basis of his race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

and no, the majority of minorities are NOT against 'affirmative action'.

Not the least of which prominant minorities like Rice, Powell, Sotomayor, Obama. Its guys like Thomas, Sewell, et. al. who somehow believe that without AA their accomplishments would be seen at "full face value" by racists that are in the small minorty that believe AA should go away.

Firstly, you should find out who you are talking about - it's Dr.Thomas Sowell, not Sewell. Clearly, you don't anything about the man. Secondly, both Sotomayor and Obama got admitted exclusively because of the color of their skin, and they entire claim for fame is due to race pimping. Secondly, the response on Sotomayor's rulling is overwhelming - disagree 71 - 19 percent according a Quinnipiac University poll released today. You are in a tiny minority of left-wingers and race pimps on this one.

Here are the actual numbers concerning affirmative action:

Support 55 - 39 percent affirmative action for the disabled in hiring, promotions and college admissions. Protestants and Catholics support it, 49 - 46 percent and 49 - 47 percent, respectively. Jews also support it 59 - 25 percent;

Oppose 70 - 25 percent giving some racial groups preference for government jobs to increase diversity. Black voters support it 49 - 45 percent while Hispanic voters are opposed 58 - 38 percent;

Oppose 74 - 21 percent giving some racial groups preference for private sector jobs to increase diversity. Voters in every racial and religious group oppose this;

Oppose 64 - 29 percent affirmative action for Hispanics in hiring, promotion and college entry. Black voters support it 59 - 30 percent while Hispanics split 47 - 48 percent;

Oppose 61 - 33 percent affirmative action for blacks in hiring, promotion and college entry. Black voters support this 69 - 26 percent, as do Hispanics 51 - 46 percent;

Oppose 62 - 32 percent affirmative action for white women in hiring, promotion and college entry. Women oppose this 58 - 35 percent but blacks support it 55 - 37 percent.