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Re: man does not have a soul, ab initio
by predicto

The Holy Spirit of Christ is the path that "takes us there".

Dd

Re: man does not have a soul, ab initio
by white light

In the end Dd, does it really matter what names we put forward ?' A rose is still a rose by any name'( not sure of the exact quote ) And when we find 'God' there are no words anyway .... so I have it on very good authority :)

btw Dd do you know what has happened to Nano ?

there is a lot there to disagree with as well.
by warden

But mostly it comes to a question of interpretation. We also have to remember that the Gospels were most likely written down by people who were not there so there is a certain amount of misinformation in them,

By the way, Messiah means annointed one, it does not mean God on earth, that was an interpretation that was added by later by the Catholic Church, most likely done so that Constintine could use the religion as a political tool.

Also, nobody said anything about contemplating your navel, quite the opposite in fact. I said observe yourself, that is almost impossible to do by simply setting in a room somewhere. Although Jesus did say that was really the only way to pray, setting quietly in a room somewhere away from others.

As for Christ being the only path, this is a particularly troubling interpretation by most Christians. They confuse Jesus with the Path and then are reduced to idol worship. Kabalistically, remember Jesus was an Essene and followed early kabalistic practices, the Path he referred to could have been his representing Tiperath, a position on the Tree of Life.

So it is really a question of interpretation, as I said.

Re: there is a lot there to disagree with as well.
by Teayser

so there is a certain amount of misinformation in them

Uncertain maybe?

fair enough
by warden
it is uncertain how much misinformation may be in them.
Re: there is a lot there to disagree with as well.
by predicto

Unregenerate, you are extremely vulnerable to being led astray by olde wive's tales. The Gospel Authors were authoritative, faithful, and get this, wrote as carried along by the Holy Spirit of Christ. They were Apostles or direct acquaintances, close followers of Apostles. Furthermore, the written word of Scripture followed the Oral Traditions by less than 25 years in some cases. They started out as Letters circulated amongst the isolated congregations. Preserved by the same Holy Spirit that preserved the Hebrew texts and the rest of the Olde Testament, the reliability of the written word is hallmark. You might note that the Book of Isaiah when translated by nonchristians, even, is pretty much a perfect match with our modern day English translations of the very Book.

The Annointed One is Messiah, yes. Jesus is that man born of God and a Virgin, without the corruption of Original Sin. Forget your kabalistic ballyhoo and grab up and NIV topical Bible. Look up passages concerning the Messiah or Savior. They make it perfectly clear that it is God in the Flesh that is Jesus Christ; Full God and Fully Man. Our minds cannot fully comprehend it, much like we cannot fully comprehend the Trinity nor the issue of Predestination, yet these are the conditions under which we live and have our being. Our powers of perception and inception are far inferior to Gods, and the power of spiritual perception between the natural man and the one born again is pretty much equivalent to the difference in reasoning power between the living and the dead. And from "Full Metal Jacket" we know from the words spoken around the corps of "Hand Job" that "The Dead know nothing except that it is better to be alive." This is why just about every human has a stolid opinion on God.

Dd

Re: man does not have a soul, ab initio
by predicto

It could be that he shook the dust from his heels.

I might could research it. I lose track of who is fighting health problems unless I communicate with them regularly.

As long as a person hears the Gospel, of course. His equivalent name for The Annointed One, God with Us, and The Lord Saves will do when combined with an understanding of the Gospel and under the conviction of The Holy Spirit as to Sin and Righteousness.

Dd

you know this how?
by warden

How do you know that Gospels are completely accurate? You believe this largely because of the old wives tales you spoke of. How many books were rejected, three hundred years after Jesus lived?

Jesus taught great things. These things were interpreted by men. Later, Constantine decided Jesus had to be God, because it fit more closely with Roman thinking. The Christian religion was formally created around that concept, with it's holidays laid right over the pagan calender.

Re: you know this how?
by white light

Christianity was and still is in part the 'pagan' religion, The Mystery Religion's.

And the Romans chose Christianity for political reasons, It kept the masses in order by controlling their inner selves as well as their physical selves, God became a being out side our selves and there fore a constant spy/controller. It was and is 1948/1984.

I am sure that Christianity has been essential to our evolution ( ? ) and that 'the Christ Light' will always be with us but we are now emerging from the religion of the Roman Empire and beginning to pick up the pieces after its truly devastating effects as well as assessing the beauties of it.

The Mysteries, from which Christianity evolved, encompass all. As do most of us more 'enlightened' ones now in our own funny ways.

How can a true religion deny any part of us and the universe ? It cannot. Christ, the man/god, has been usurped by the delusioned, for unless one is a very spiritual being how can one say one knows God ? It is they, the delusioned and demented ones who rule us still, to this day.

Re: you know this how?
by predicto

How do you know that Gospels are completely accurate?

=== God assures me. Once you are convicted of sin and righteousness by the Holy Spirit you believe. The Bible calls it "His Spirit testifies with Our Spirit". Now, God will go out of His way for some to prove the veracity of The Bible, to recommend, or endorse it, if you will. I have personally had miraculaous things happen, sometimes as a result of prayer, even, specific things happen that communicates to you in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that Jesus Christ is Real and that The NIV Bible IS the Word of God and that God wants you to read it... But that's me. Others just believe. Attorney Lee Strobel, a skeptic came to belief on the raw evidence for Jesus and His crucifixion. It's the logic of it all. Once you know the story and the big picture is given to you and your mental processor supernaturally supercharged so you can contain it all, it blows your mind. The Bible is the ONLY way it could be by any logic you can think of. It is so far superior to conjectures, that it is by itself, set apart, ... Holy. ===

You believe this largely because of the old wives tales you spoke of.

=== I believe that the Word of God is The Bible. God will never do anything inconsistent with the Bible because God is Truth and He never changes. I know this because He told me his word is the Bible and He edifies me every day. ===

How many books were rejected, three hundred years after Jesus lived?

=== All the bullshit ones that wanted to cash in on the new craze by claiming some superior refvelation. ===

Jesus taught great things.

=== Yes He did. ===

These things were interpreted by men.

=== These things were recorded by Holy Men possessed by the Holy Spirit of Christ and moved to write their accounts as they wrote them, and as we have recorded very faithfully, today. Languages were interpreted, the concept was pure and simple. The words are not tricky. Nothing "urbane" about the Bible or esoteric. ===

Later, Constantine decided Jesus had to be God, because it fit more closely with Roman thinking.

=== Constantine didn't decide shit. Jesus was God and Man from the Get go. At the council the hersies were rejceted, is all. What was Christian belief was codified and the canon of the New Testament was closed as no inspired text had come forth in 200 plus years. ===

The Christian religion was formally created around that concept, with it's holidays laid right over the pagan calender.

=== Christ conquers all. He's no killjoy. He loves a good festival, himself. "In all you do, do it for Christ." That includes celebrate.

Dd

ok, so you believe it, but you don't know it based
by warden

on any actual facts. And you did get some of your facts wrong. Jesus was never considered God until Constintine came a long As for Nicea, anything that did not agree with their political agenda was rejected. Many books as old as the Gospels were rejected because they did not claim Jesus to be a God, again, that came later.

As for consistancy, let's review. Do you kill your enemies or do you love them? OT and NT have differing opinions.

Lastly, I have read some of your racist, hate filled posts. It is unimaginable that your mental processes have ever been superchaged.

Re: Be an Angel, will you Dd
by white light

and find out about Nano, I know that both happy and k_g would like to know xxxxxxx

May your God be with you, you terrible man :) xxxxxx

and likely always will rule. Render unto Ceasar and all.
by warden
I agree with most of that. I am always amazed by people who, on the one hand say God is all power, all encompassing and unknowable, but on the other say they know the one single way to get to God. They alone can know all the faces of God.
Re: and likely always will rule. Render unto Ceasar and all.
by white light

They are delusioned :) Not their fault but it is so xxxxx

Re: and likely always will rule. Render unto Ceasar and all.
by white light
Sorry, that was such a short reply, It is one thirty here and I am sleepy xxxx tomorrow xxxx
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