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Re: My first time at the Billy Goat
by Schmutzie

I could go on and on about Billy Goat's bite, including a few stories I only kinda remember.

The extent that Sam Sianis has cashed in on that dump should be an inspiration to entrepeneurs everywhere, and not only the hard-work-gets-you-ahead lesson...

Sam , by way of his uncle Billy, marketed the piss out of that "curse." Brilliant marketing. A freakin' greasy spoon, down in the basement of the city, becomes world famous.

Huh...a clever Greek restaurant dude. Color me shocked!

And not only that, your reply (and Duc's) really does bring me back to the top post about Belushi, and his friendship with Royko.

Royko was one of the first to point out (quietly) that the chizzbooger chizzbooger sketch on SNL was not, as was the conventional wisdom at the time, based on Billy Goat's, but rather on a Greek resturant that Belushi lived upstairs from as a kid.

Royko, liking Sianis, didn't make a big deal out of it, and let the tourists flood in wearing their "wild and crazy guy" outfits.

Sianis, being the clever Greek restaurant guy (go ahead call me racist!!), didn't correct anybody when they started yelling out orders as "chizzbooger, chizzbooger, no fries, cheeps! no Coke, Petssi." In nothing flat, Sam Sianis had hijacked the SNL sketch, and had his counter people say chizzbooger.

Cha-ching!

But it all started with Billy Sianis, whom Mike Royko eulogized thusly....

"It was typical of Billy Goat that he would die during the only five hours of the day when his place wasn't open for business. That's how good a businessman he was."
It's all about the pickles
by biteoftheweek

The cheezeborgers aren't great, but if you manage to squeeze 15-20 pickes on them, they are quite edible. I always have a long island iced tea (or two) there. Probably sacreligious, but there you have it.

Love the story about Sianis stealing the schtick. Makes me love the place all the more.

But it was Royko--who I used to read religiously in the Salt Lake Tribune, that made me want to go there and perhaps run into him or Studs.

Re: It's all about the pickles
by Schmutzie

They're kind of like White Castles. Put enough stuff on 'em, and they're great for sopping up booze at 2AM.

I hope Studs hangs around for awhile longer. Dude's a gem.

I corrected my reply to you above, I'll just repost it here....

You went to Loma? Ain't that something?

Gorgeous views.

Said often that San Diego is my second favorite city. Something about mountains and ocean meeting that I find very pleasing to the eye.

As for that cemetary, my dad took me there, and he was a navy man from his 18th birthday in 1942. Two theaters, South Pacific and that other place where Hitler's U-boats were cruising around in wolf packs.

When I saw those perfectly straight rows of white crosses, headstones, I was dumbfounded. Glanced at my dad, and his head was turned away. Didn't want me to see.

As for the other thing...no worries, just want you to know who I am. Didn't mean to be rude.

Re: It's all about the pickles
by biteoftheweek

I was wondering if I missed the crosses. You had me confused!

We were actually kicked out for staying too long by the coast guard (I think it was the coast guard, since I am from Utah). for staying too long.

My legs got sunburned. I ate too much and I drank too much. I actually gained 10 pounds (10 pounds!!!)

I fell in love with the city, too. But I think I still love San Francisco more. Might be the bridges.

Re: It's all about the pickles
by Schmutzie

Gulp.

Been there twice, the first time I was about12 I'd guess.

He took me all over town, and I recall going down by Loma and seeing a sign that said "Navy Seal Training Area."

"Hey dad, does that mean they train seals to do stuff?"

Man, how did he put up with me?

I had forgotten who is was who is from Utah
by mom
Considering the newspaper endorsements listed below, I thought you'd find this one kind of interesting.

<link>

A simple choice: The nation needs Barack Obama in the White House
Tribune Editorial

The next U.S. president will lead a nation that remains embroiled in two wars and is beset by an economic meltdown more severe than any since the Great Depression.
By necessity, the country's next commander in chief must also be its mender in chief, capable of inspiring his angry and divided constituents to join together in a recovery project to restore the peace, prosperity, and self-confidence we once knew.
We fear that a lesser effort may be insufficient to reverse America's slide toward economic, political and societal chaos. The times require dramatic and comprehensive change.
The presidential candidates know it, and have made it their mantra.
Most Americans know it, and, in growing numbers, are demanding it.
The countries that have long depended upon the United States for enlightened global leadership long for it.
For the sake of all, and for those who follow us, we must have it.
The editorial board of The Salt Lake Tribune believes that Barack Obama can deliver it.
Over the 22 months since announcing his improbable candidacy, Obama has transcended his image as a mere political and racial phenomenon. Though blessed with uncommon skills as a writer and orator, he was mistakenly thought to possess too little political experience, too little backbone, and too little evidence of the tangible,
and intangible, qualities we ascribe to the best of our leaders. Democrats and Republicans alike thought Hillary Clinton would make short work of him.
Admittedly, we thought so too, and endorsed Clinton, not Obama, for the party's nomination.
Yet, Obama mounted an extraordinary grass-roots campaign, raised gobs of cash, and showed great fortitude and equanimity in the face of the Clinton juggernaut. He endured, and once the nomination was his, he set about uniting his divided party with an impressive display of magnanimity and diplomacy.
John McCain, meanwhile, crushed Mitt Romney to gain his party's nomination, but then blundered badly by not bringing the business-savvy Romney onto the ticket. Romney would have shored up McCain's poor grasp of economic policy.
Then, out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously underequipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency.
Still, we have compelling reasons for endorsing Obama on his merits alone. Under the most intense scrutiny and attacks from both parties, Obama has shown the temperament, judgment, intellect and political acumen that are essential in a president that would lead the United States out of the crises created by President Bush, a complicit Congress and our own apathy.
The candidates' positions on issues are, in most cases, distinctly different, and no more so than in health care reform. McCain would make a bad system worse by deregulating an insurance industry that is the root of the problem. He would give every family a $5,000 refundable tax credit for purchasing the insurance of their choice, but would tax employer-provided health benefits. Obama's plan would require large employers to offer insurance, or contribute a percentage of payroll to offset the cost of taxpayer subsidies. People could buy into a private or a government-run plan, and the premiums would be subsidized by tax credits based on income.
On tax policy, Obama would sensibly increase taxes for individuals making more than $250,000 a year, while cutting taxes for everyone else. He also would send money to the states for public works improvements that would generate jobs. His intent to increase the capital gains tax, however, is foolhardy while businesses struggle to weather the economic meltdown.
McCain would cut taxes for people in all income brackets, as well as mandate big reductions in corporate income taxes. It is a trickle-down plan that would do little to reduce the deficit.
McCain's foreign policy objectives virtually replicate Bush's disastrous course. His disdain for diplomacy is troubling, and his faith in eventual U.S. "victory" in Iraq is ill-defined. We simply cannot afford perpetual war. Obama knows this. And his nuanced approach would help America recover it's global prestige.
Indeed, we see too many of Bush's failed policies in McCain's recipe for recovery. The country desperately needs a new and well-defined road map for the 21st century and leadership that can unite the country behind it.
We believe that Barack Obama can give us both.
Re: I had forgotten who is was who is from Utah
by Schmutzie

I sense from the endorsement that the folks are a bit upset that Mitt Romney wasn't selected as McCain's running mate.

Not only would he have brought exec experience, financial savvy, and some swell sweaters, but , you know, it doesn't hurt to be Mormon when running for office in Utah.

I'm sure Obama appreciates every endorsement he can get, including Powell's tomorrow morning, but I'm not sure if this one is going to be enough to turn Utah blue mom.

Over 50% of Utahans may be pissed about Romney, but not that pissed. Not I'll vote for Obama pissed. That day isn't here yet.

Artemesia linked to this earlier in the thread. Worth a look.

Just saying...
by mom
Oh, I wasn't under any illusion that Utah would go for Obama. I'm not sure, though, that the Tribune's endorsement was altogether a snit about McCain's not picking Romney. McCain has really shown piss-poor judgment throughout the campaign and Obama's leadership capabilites have been evident.

This paragraph highlights that:

"Still, we have compelling reasons for endorsing Obama on his merits alone. Under the most intense scrutiny and attacks from both parties, Obama has shown the temperament, judgment, intellect and political acumen that are essential in a president that would lead the United States out of the crises created by President Bush, a complicit Congress and our own apathy."
Re: Just saying...
by Schmutzie

Oh I was certainly being tongue in cheek mom. I've read enough of you to know you pay attention.

I find the endorsement significant, if not immediately so.

That is Salt Lake City, Utah.....and the people at that The Salt Lake Tribune are well aware of where they are. That takes guts, and I'm sure that the mention of Romney was in one way intended to clearly explain what they expected from McCain's VP choice, which is what should have been expected from that choice by every Republican....a smart business person with executive experience and financial savvy. If I was traditional Republican, which I'm not, I'd be way pissed off about the Palin selection, especially given the current financial climate.

Timing is everything, and I imagine if McCain had seen the impending market collapse 2-3 weeks down the road, he'd have chosen Romney in a second, and the polls might look very different indeed.

IF.

I can also imagine, taking tongue out of cheek, from a marketing standpoint, since the Tribune plans on selling papers in Salt Lake City it didn't hurt to prominently mention Mitt Romney.

On the other hand, the headline says it all, and their glowing praise of Obama, and his potential in our current situation is extremely convincing. I believe they believe Obama's the better choice, and aren't just poking McCain in the eye.

You know
by biteoftheweek

For 150 years the Trib was the hated and reviled "gentile" newsrag, while the Deseret news was the beloved mouthpiece of the mormon church.

Sadly, about a decade ago the Church was finally able to buy the Trib.

Fucking Tragedy.

Re: Royko rolls over and smiles
by Issywise

The first time I heard of Royko was when a column he wrote about Chicago politics appeared on the front page of my city's paper. I'm sure the editors of our city's paper thought they were educating us readers on how rough Chicago politics were. I was astounded to read Royko name a sitting member of the city council (whatever they are called) who Royko said "never spoke in public because he saved his breath for the back room where he says "where is mine?"

The editors on my city's paper got more than they expected: I sat there wondering why journalism at home wasn't like it apparently was in Chicago. I mean journalism is supposed to be about telling the truth. I had just forgot to expect it.

The next time I ran across Royko was on a televised national talk show where he was one of four panelists brought on to discuss Chicago politics. The TV type moderator thought to discredit Royko at the beginning of the show and heighten interest by reading some of his choicer lines--they very seemed radical. Royko sat relaxed and quiet during that attack and during the first few minutes of typical bland mastication done by the other panelists. Then the moderator, having established the expected tenor of the conversation, turned back to Royko and said something like, "So why are you so wild in your accusations?"

What followed was five minutes of the most masterly TV I've ever seen. Royko recited the fact--legal facts, relevant to the question: how many elected officials incited and convicted, how many judges convicted and disbarred; the general particulars of the various scandals then occupying Chicago's attention.

The moderator went catatonic and the other panelists figuratively ran for cover. They were going to pretend that Chicago was part of the Beaver Cleaver America we all like to pretend we live in and Royko was being unkind enough to deal with reality. For the rest of the hour, Royko said little but sat there accepting apologies from the others for their cowardly avoidance of truth.

DEAL WITH REALITY. There it is: that's what made the man great. If we dealt with reality, we'd fault Obama for his acting as an accomplice in the cancellation of millions of primary votes this Spring. Instead we're pouring our hopes and dreams into the vessel of his candidacy and closing our eyes to all that obstructs that gratifying activity.

I think Royko had one thing we all do not: He saw us as we really are, not as we pretend to be, and was still hopeful. It was a rare gift God gave him. We have to self-delude to believe.

Don't know if you have seen this
by biteoftheweek
Re: Royko rolls over and smiles
by Schmutzie

Mike was a very tough guy to play gotcha with. As you noted, he'd sit quietly, and take the punches thrown at him, but they'd always bounce off because he wasn't a fake. He didn't put on airs. Same guy, all the time.

He never got tripped up by "That's not what you said before..." type attacks, because he didn't change his opinions with the prevailing wind.

And his ability to fire back was a thing to behold. I've known many talented lawyers in my life, but very few of them would compare to Royko in terms of debating skill.

Not sure what you meant by the last part about Obama acting as an accomplice in the rigged primary eletion. May I assume you're a disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporter? Not really the point of the post, but I'd say if Royko had been observing the primaries, he'd have focused on McAuliffe and Solis-Doyle's imcompetent campaigning, and additionally Royko would have marveled at the skill displayed by long time (up until 2007, behind-the-scenes) Chicago political strategist....David Axelrod.

Obama won the Democratic nomination, he didn't steal it. The reason he won, besides being the better candidate, is because of great strategy.

If Obama wins the White House, it will be because he's the better candidate, and it will also be because of David Axelrod.

Re: Don't know if you have seen this
by Schmutzie

Hadn't seen it, thank you very much.

Always fun to see stuff from Mike's healthier years, (although his ciggies got me looking at my Marlboros on the desk in disgust....that's next. He was puffing away.)

Dude loved himself some softball.

Notice how he pronounced Chicago? That's the proper way. Chi-CAW-go

Known people who've lived here their whole lives who insist on calling it Chi-KAHHH-go. Shiver..

"Sam....get another round here!!"

(Notice the sign over the door to The Goat? sheesh...shameless, that's what Sianis is.)

Re: Royko rolls over and smiles
by Issywise

"May I assume you're a disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporter?" No you may not. I was offended by the whole kitten coboodle of them voiding votes to enforce party committee preferences for who should vote when. Obama was one of a crowd who should have stood up and said, "Wait a minute here...what'd you say we were about to do?"

I don't know the who and how of it, but he's run a hell of a campaign--clearly the superior race run.

It seems to me that the better campaigner has reliably won in recent decades. Even in 1980, when Carter had so much going against him because of things out of political control, Reagan ran the better race. This year, if Obama wins, much rationalization will be made for McCain's loss based on the "atmosphere" being so bad for a Republican, but I ain't buying it. It won't be George W. Bush who lost.

Obama ignoring all the baiting and encouragements by his own side to strike higher or more aggressive notes allowed him to reassure voters at a time when the one thing they for sure needed was reassurance. Obama's purposeful and disciplined cool juxtaposed against McCain's excitability has brought us to where we are today---and that is better campaigning, pure and simple.


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