that both you and ZB have used the 'bigot' word...because you as a republican and a very conservative one .. and ZB, a true believer in Barack Obama(or possibly an avowed Hillary hater).

Yesterday, I posted several times about the great Martin Luther King and his deep abiding faith in his mission of World Peace and the advancement of all Human and Civil Rights through non-violent protest.I still believe in that tact today.

I wish that Obama was up to the caliber of a Martin Luther King but I do not believe that he is.

Nor do I believe he is the the better candidate. I believe of the two, Hillary is.

But I find it disingenous and ironic that two oppostite sides of the political coin, i.e. an Obama supporter(ZB) and an avowed Conservative (Jack), both trot out the' bigot' accusation as an attempt to bully(in ZB's case.He tries to bully) whereas Jack tries to generally inflame the leftists by his use of this term and many of his posts,in general.

Jack Dallas gets an awful lot of guff around here for his very outright political posts and often caustic, negative words about the political side of the aisle that he so loathes, in general.

But,Jack has been posting here for many, many years. He's a cad and a shameless flirt and holds a political view that is the anti-thesis of my own moderate democrat sentiment when it comes to the popular platform and political agenda I espouse

But, I don't see him as the orge many try to paint him as.

His very wry and quick humor is testimony to a bright intelligent mind.

Even though we hold opposing political views, he isn't man without some redeeming really good qualities, in my humble view.

The beautiful thing about the fray is that over the years gradually we come to understand ,hopefully, what really drives people to have acquired the views and positions that have.

In doing so we can sometimes actually reach a point of understanding and even soften some of the rough edges that sometimes seem intractably ingrained in people on first blush.

All in all, I think the use of the word bigot is a low brow slur whether it comes from the Con or the Pro Obama side of the aisle.

Anyway, I just don't like seeing Jack/RainMan. getting roundly jammed in this thread anymore than Iike seeing anyone use the word, 'bigot' used, at all.

Leader. I see a leader as a visionary, someone who is not afraid to share their journey, gaffes, open themselves up so that we can really see what it is that resonates. Malcolm X epitomizes what I mean. His journey was complex. The dude pulled himself up and educated himself, he defined himself, and incited a generation. He also began to reabsorb what he had learned and began a change, a metamorphism that would have led him to a position of unification. Because he had ideals and ideas that he did not apologize for this is why he was assassinated by Nation of Islam youths. I think it is ironic that another candidate who by his actions have shown him to be false, who denies his journey (I ask why?) who has given bizarre reasons for his recorded actions (He didn't know how to use the buttons, unspecified reasons why he will not show patriotism while the star spangled banner is sung, his church attendance of the last 20 years was just for show, his grandma made him do it)

I put him more in the category of Stephen King's IT than I do close to the same category as Malcolm X.

Hillary is a lot farther up that platform.

I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment.
Malcolm X

If women could only learn this, there would be a lot less war and a lot more women in charge.

So far the only thing that I have seen Obama stand for is Obama. I have watched while he has betrayed his own grandma, for me that is really 'nuff said. If JFK's speechwriter can't even help make the guy seem as if he has a conviction then...

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LaurieAnnM:

First of all I just want to say that you are such a good writer ducadmo and that is much more rare here than many may assume. Your post just rolled along well and was such a joy to easily follow and digest because of your excellent sentence structure and way with words.

Your post was well done and it does make it such a joy to read when one uses such good writing skill and sentence structure.So thanks for that!

Onto your point about a HRC VP slot....I don't think it would work. The nastiness now between the two and between the two factions(BO fans and HRC fans) just has really reached a deep level.

I wrote a top post about this topic two days ago titled "The Dem Party will go the way of The Whigs", or something to that effect.

I addressed this issue and the strong possibility that the Democratic party will implode due to the machinations this election season,of Howard Dean and Co. regarding how the DNC front loaded the Campaign "for diversity"(which was the DNC's stated recorded missive) by changing the Primary Dates and Rules.

I fear the bad blood in the party leaders, all over the country, but especially of the DNC party heads, in Florida and Michigan, will not be happy campers if they are simply given a cursory seat ,only, at the Convention.

They may have to take it for the moment. But I do not see a happy ending for the party to this chaotic mess.

It's way out of control now. And the bad blood has already dried a few times over.

The DNC is hell bent on an Obama nomination. I saw that when I watched the long video tapings of the machinations that caused the rule Changes by the DNC and the ensuing challenges and requests from Florida and Mich. to be recognized and given some way to be seated and have their votes count. I saw Donna Brazil all but slap the Florida DNC chair woman across the face and told her to STFU and forget being counted.

I see how the DNC gerry-rigged this campaign and these primaries.

So no, I do not expect HRC would accept a VP offer if it happens . I do not expect she owes the dems anything now in any way shape or manner. I do see a Obama candidancy and an Obama slaughter when he runs against McCain.

Sadly for the DNC they oversold the faux imagery of' Barack as Messiah' so well for some democrats that they honestly believe that as soon as the rest of the country gazes upon his beatific face all will fall down and praise his name and vote for him.

His fans blindly actually believe and think close to this satirical imagery.

It's sad and blind of them. We have seen him.Many of us just don't buy it. Sorry.

But it is the blindness of BO's adulating followers that will be his downfall. They simply refuse to see what everyone else already knows. He is not all that. And McCain will simply win by default.

agreed on ducadmo's posts btw

The following are comments to your post:

Who wants to watch Obama fiddle while America burns?

I think it is symbolic that the Florida governor's last name is "Crist" and that Michigan's governor is a slender, blonde female. So Obama and his cronies will not let "Crist" or women be seated.

The DNC is already blaming HIllary

Obama's camp has already called McCain nonpatriotic. Not quite into the McCain frenzy yet I have to say "HUH? WTF" It's like calling Reagan an atheist.

Obama has gotten away with a lot because the expectations of Obama are low. As long as he can smile wave and be snarky that is all his voter's expect of him.

Hillary on the other hand is expected to be able to do it all. I'm surprised she has not been attacked for having a secret service, one expects any day for a mike to be stuck in her ear with a machine gun in her left hand because shouldn't she be able to "watch for assassins", cart her luggage, do all her own secretarial duties, heal the blind and sick, make the lame to walk again?

At this point, with all the BS the DNC has put her through, I believe it has proven she can.

On women leaving the DNC, to reiterate a Malcolm X quote with a little word change

I believe in the sisterhood of women, all women, but I don't believe in sisterhood with anybody who doesn't want sisterhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment.
Malcolm X

jegal; I like the last quote too.

And you are right Malcom X was a person who was a self made and self actualized individual.That aspect of his genius and abilities has been underplayed over the years.

Thanks for a good thought provoking post.I liked both of your posts.

And yes, I believe you are right. She has proven she can and she is more than up to handle the task of presidency. Sadly, I do believe,after seeing, on c-span, how they rigged this, in the DNC ,that the fix in for going with Obama. And it has been right along

Unless, the DNC Heads really go into a real full on panic mode and Obama completely implodes as a candidate, I believe will get the nomination.

Wish it wasn't so. But I think that's what will happen.

That he chooses to employ his "intelligence" and "wit" in the mundane day after day repetition of lowest common denominator dittoheadisms means he will be treated precisely as he is: just another dime store pathological Limbaugh listener.

This contradiction is one of the notable hallmarks of the angry white neocon, and it has vexed many people for over its nearly two decadesin the limelight, myself certainly included - these guys are seemingly normal, modestly educated, reasonably intelligent, and apparently able to navigate somewhat "normal" lives, and yet they are stuck deeply in this monstrously banal rut of surly bitter know-nothingism: childish, petulant, and stridently ignorant. Pushing the same tired angry rock up the hill every day over and over, always willing to rally to the same tattered flags of sophistry and reflexive partisanship. Almost zombie-like at this point, and unmoored from anything resembling consistency of principle or value.

There is nothing behind it any more, just an aging whore humping the same tired dicks day after day and moaning the same tired false moan. Yet the twist here is there is definitely a perverse zeal lurking beneath - an adult who never stopped pulling the wings off of flies. It is as if underneath it all he really only exists to tweak democrats, and he has been playing the same note for a decade now but never seems to tire of it, or notice. Rain or shine: same note. Dem majority, GOP monopoly, 9-11, Iraq, Katrina, Bush at 70%, Bush at 20%., good day for the GOP, bad day for the GOP, GOP scandal, Dem scandal... the same single note.

And it's this willful ignorance that fascinates me: it actually appears to take effort. It is as if they must force themselves, Captain-Kirk-like, to will their logic, compassion, and consistent individual thought back down into the recesses of their minds and then focus with intensity on the mindless mantra. Like some sort of obscene Zen practice.

You can almost hear the real human being calling for help, murmuring, from the crawl space of his mind as he jerks off the same rote rendition of dittohead chopsticks on his toy piano. I suspect that he would like to take the reality-based world and make a skin-suit out of it.

Obama is a Dead Man Walking

It's possible that Democrats themselves don't know that Obama is, politically speaking, a dead man walking. That's because his candidacy's pending demise is a question most Democrats haven't even begun to deal with. Indeed, they don't seem to realize that the Jeremiah Wright uproar did for Obama's candidacy what the Dems and their media cohorts could not bring themselves to do, and that is to "vet" Obama.

Public scrutiny of their messianic candidate's background had stopped pretty much at, "well, he's very good looking," and "he's awfully charismatic and eloquent." Indeed, even in the wake of Obama's being outed by responsible journalists for not having severed ties with Wright, The New York Times and the network news programs have waxed breathless in their praise of his "courageous" speech.

Now, whether or not Democrats and their media flaks recognize that Obama's candidacy is effectively a thing of the past, its demise will have serious consequences for the party's hopes in November, and precisely because by allowing Obama to remain in their flawed primary to the end will cause potentially fatal rifts among their core constituents. Of course, cutting him off now probably wouldn't improve their prospects significantly, but it would at least allow for a six-month healing process to take place, and a lot can happen in six months

but, and it is a Big Butt, Obama can do No Wrong, but he can do it the Wright Way

In the end it’s going to come down to the fact that no one can definitively ascertain what is in Barack Obama’s heart, and whether his actions and associations will speak louder to the American voter than his seductive rhetoric.

For my part, I have no doubt that Obama adheres to the canon of Reverend Wright and Trinity United Church. One simply doesn’t sit in a pew for twenty years and listen to that sort of swill unless they are in agreement with it. A pastor who holds such opinions doesn’t conveniently veil them for the sake of one parishioner, unless we are now expected to believe that Wright possesses acute precognitive abilities and thus held himself in abeyance for years in Obama’s presence because he knew all of this was coming.

Like former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (who was one man in his home state of South Dakota and a far Left moonbat in the Senate), Obama has been playing two politicians. His persona of the charismatic, unifying orator who would usher in a bright new era in American politics and social development is but a mask. Underneath lies a far Left black nationalist who identifies completely with such as Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, their acolytes, and the acerbic black talking heads who materialized to defend Obama and Wright on the airwaves.

“Who are you to question his [Obama’s] Christianity?” Alan Colmes asked me on-air a year ago. I stand by what I said: Black Liberation Theology is not Christianity, Trinity United Church is a cult, and neither Jeremiah Wright nor Barack Obama are Christians in the biblical sense.

In Wright’s March 2007 rebuttal, he stated that members of Trinity United Church consider themselves Africans. This means that it is quite likely we may wind up with a president who doesn’t even consider himself an American.

Forget the political Right and Left. Don’t you think that America’s first black president ought to be someone who dearly loves this country and at least respects everyone therein, rather than a closet black militant with a historical perspective that resides in the 1950s, who was mentored by a foul-mouthed, bitter old fool with a historical perspective that resides in the 1930s, hates more than half of all Americans, and calls upon the Almighty to damn America?

and in the end..Geraldine Ferraro was thrown

Under The Bus with the Rest of the Democrats

It leaves Democrats with two major dilemmas. First, after spending the better part of 50 years convincing African Americans that they are victims of modern day racism and that, without the aid and sponsorship of Democrats they have no chance to participate in the American Dream, they are now confronted with a black candidate who tends to prove all of that to be a lie.

And finally, their unique system of “super delegates,” made up of party bigwigs and elected officials, now turns out to be the party’s own private minefield.

The “super delegate” system was designed to mirror the U.S. Electoral College. Its purpose was to prevent the party’s unruly mobs from making what might otherwise be a fatal mistake.

But now, as the party drifts irretrievably toward an Obama candidacy, an almost certain loser in November, the super Delegates are prevented from playing the role they were intended to play. Why? Because Barack Obama is black and the “super delegates” dare not fulfill their purpose by short-circuiting the fortunes of a black candidate.

Any reasonable analysis of the past three General Elections will show the importance of the black vote to Democratic success at the polls. With blacks representing roughly 17% of our population, if they voted in roughly the same percentages as the rest of America...52-48 percent, or 53-47 percent for Democrats over Republicans, or vice versa...the balance of power in the United States Senate would now be, roughly speaking, 75 Republicans, 24 Democrats, and 1 Independent.

That, in a nutshell, is how important the black vote is to the Democrat Party. The continued viability of the party depends on their ability to let Barack Obama have the 2008 presidential nomination...no matter what.

It reminds me very much of the days when I played trumpet more than guitar, and of trying out for All-State or various other honor bands. I can remember a couple of times when I sat below a player who, as became clear in rehearsals, was clearly my inferior as a player (but who had evidently been better on the particular piece for the tryout). I can also remember the reverse being true a couple of times. And in either situation, ultimately it is the responsibility of the player in the lower position to know his role and subjugate his own notes to the larger whole of the composition as written. I remember the difficulty involved in doing this, but I also remember the incredible satisfaction when I listened later to recordings of a balanced orchestra playing a piece well - and thinking to myself "I was a part of that."

It might be interesting to find out whether Obama or Clinton has ever played music in that kind of milieu. Tea-leaves to read for predicting the convention, perhaps?

Well Jack is tough enough to handle it. That much is true. ;-)

And for me it is worthwhile to know what a lot of other people think, and not just those who are in the MSM and "paid to give Obama" an easy time...while always downplaying the Clinton candidacy which has so much more authenticity to offer this nation.

Sadly, this entire democratic campaign candidacy might be derailed into a train wreckage before the national campaign begins.

I was reading elsewhere where there are ALREADY groups formed who plan to demonstrate at the Democratic convention in August, and who are going to have slogans such as "Re-Create 68" and plan to have different levels of de demonstrations (not riots, but perhaps some slight mayhem) as part of their anti-war demonstrations.

Group says clash possible during Democratic convention

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By GEORGE MERRITT
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

DENVER -- A protest group vowed to occupy one of Denver's most prominent parks with thousands of demonstrators during the Democratic National Convention after the convention's host committee won a permit to hold an event at the same park.

Recreate 68 originally associated its name with the 1968 Democratic National Convention and encouraged visitors to its Web site to make that convention's demonstrations and violent clashes with police "look like a small get together in 2008!"

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I know what you mean...that call to riot thing, if things don't go for Obama, has been going on a long time.

I was actually truly FOR Obama, right after Iowa and went to his web site(still get emails from his campaign).

But ,when I saw his supporters ,on his blogs, talking about Marching on Wash.D.C. if he even lost the nomination legitimately, I was stunned!

Later after hearing HRC I liked her better.

But we shall see how it goes, it should be interesting if nothing else this year.

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sooner a later falls apart. If it doesn't fall apart soon enough, it will need to be enhanced. If it doesn't need to be enhanced, it probably serves no purpose. These are basic engineering rules, but they are equally applicable to politics as politics is a machine and machines are governed by the rules of engineering.

Were it not for McCain, the Republican Party could almost as easily gotten into a similar mess twixt Huck and Romney. The Republican nomination process is a little more cut-throat - that is to say it values picking a winner quickly to about endless debate because Republicans find it embarrassing to engage in extended thought processes for obvious reasons.

All politicians are liars and most people are bigots. I had forgotten just how many until this past month. That's what I like about the Democratic process - it is learning the value of stress testing. As an engineer, if I can't find something to fix, I look for something to break.

Job security.

but I think Cheney expanded the office to the point where it is now big enough for a Clinton. In a political environment constructed from coalitions in a complex world, that office should be much more than ceremonial. If the other party is to be considered the 'loyal opposition', then there should also be something between which serves as the 'not-always-loyal-but-still-th­e-one-you-brought-to-the-dance­'.

In Cheney's case, it never seemed clear who was actually in charge. I've always wondered what that twerp would have done without his Dick.

When I was in Taiwan, I got to know the lead guy for my company's competitor pretty well. During the day, we saw each other constantly, we talked shit about each other, spied on each other, tried to recruit each others technicians, just about everything we could legally do to each other and in Taiwan - that's a lot.

Then at night, we'd go out drinking, talk shit about our own companies, and made sure each other got home safely. that little world was too small to have real enemies. Politics is a nasty business, but no politician gets very far burning bridges they spent a long time building.

It's the people who don't have anything invested except their heart that get all bent out of shape and in politics a heart is an extravagant and purely optional commodity.