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What I thought I was doing
by Paul_Breslin SlateIcon
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Four years ago, I vowed never to post on this site again. Well, never is a long time, and my life is different now from what it was then. Which is to say that I now write about, rather than helplessly endure, the emotions engaged in “Siren.” Which is to say that detachment is easier—negative criticism no longer cuts to the quick. BTW, I have continued to read the Poetry Fray during those years of silence.

Before saying anything, I remind you that poets work partly by instinct and often have a very imperfect grasp of what they are doing. The most spectacular example is probably T. S. Eliot, who wrote critical essays advocating impersonal classicism, whereas the poems themselves tell a different story, of a poet haunted and obsessed by inward demons. Of course, I don’t claim to be in his league—I’m just saying that if a great poet and brilliant critic such as Eliot can be mistaken about his own poetry, any poet can. All I can do is tell you what I hope I have done.

To the objections of Falcon and Savory Goodness that the poem lacks evocative imagery, I would reply that the “show don’t tell” rule, like all rules, sometimes has to be broken. One of my favorite living poets is Frank Bidart, who often turns not to imagery but to ruthless, beautifully precise statements. Louise Glück also does this. Another favorite is Alan Shapiro, who is sometimes more interested in capturing voices than in visual evocation. If you want images, try my earlier Slate efforts “The City,” “Mouth,” or “Rhododendron.”

This poem is primarily about voices. The exception is the last two lines, which Mary Ann found a bit heavy-handed. They are there to move the poem back from the past to the present moment, and toward a stronger empathic identification with the imagined victim. The fire and heart attack are meant as guesses—indeed one doesn’t know why the siren is sounding, but both of these are likely possibilities. I hoped to create a nervous balance between uncertainty—who is in danger, and why—with the certainty that someone is, and that some day or other, it will be one’s own turn.

I have written many poems in rhyme and meter, but this one seemed best done in free verse and in a plain style. The grammar of this poem, BTW, is impeccable, unless you consider the intentional sentence fragment in the closing lines a fault. I wanted it to move quickly and avoid getting bogged down in description. It evolved from a spontaneously-written prose journal entry, and what I hope makes it poetry rather than prose is the handling of line breaks, which are the main rhythmic marker in free verse. There is a deliberate balance between the heavily-enjambed lines 3-11, in which the accusing voices speak, and blunt end-stopping at the beginning and the end. It is shorter than the journal entry, with everything that seemed ornamental or digressive pared away.

Mary Ann, Soccer Freak, and Cutter McCool seemed to “get it”—at least their sense of what’s going on in the poem is close to mine. White Rabbit’s comment on the wide gap between this poem’s world-view and that of Donne’s famous meditation seems to me true. (It is a great and probably undeserved honor to be mentioned in the same paragraph with Donne at all.) My position is agnostic rather than atheistic—we just don’t know what, if anything, happens after the medics give up.

Zen Buddhism, which I am beginning to consider my religion (except that in so many ways it isn’t quite a religion) says only that the Buddha-nature is in everyone and everything; that it cannot be expressed in any language or image; that it is a simultaneous fullness (the word “Buddha” originally meant full) and emptiness; and that we are constantly distracting ourselves from awareness of it in the present moment (Zen meditation is the process of cutting off the process of self-distraction as it arises--never entirely successfully, of course). Reproaching oneself for past wrongs or worrying about the future (as the speaker of this poem does) prevents the experience of one’s own life as it continuously arrives from one moment to the next. Zen has the reputation of being touchy-feely, but it is the most philosophically rigorous religious doctrine I have encountered.

Point of information: Although I have lived around the corner from the fire station for a very long time, there are still moments, if I am absorbed in reading or thought, when it takes a split-second to identify the siren as a siren rather than a voice. Maybe if my name were Richard or David or Robert I wouldn’t hear the siren as my name—Cutter very observantly notes that the vowel in my name is a bit siren-like.

That's a lot of jawing after four years of silence! Thanks for your patience.


wish fulfillment
by islandtime

Hi, Paul B,

Thank you for proving that wishes sometimes do come true. I often say I want the poet to come talk to us and tell us what he was thinking or what his poem means. And here, at last, is wish fulfillment.

Also, I commend you on your four year vow of silence here (it's longer than I could ever be quiet). Wow. I hope it's over now and you'll join us once in awhile.

Thank you, too, for your fine poem.

Re: What I thought I was doing
by HAP

Mr. Breslin:

When criticized and cut to the quick, what is the realization that the scalpel has been - and shall always be – exclusively in one’s personal possession?

Re: What I thought I was doing
by waltz and capsize

I'm grateful you've visited, Paul B. Thank you.

Way down past mid-page, Richard and I expressed positive reaction, albeit brief, to your poem, Siren.

I complained about a certain listy-ness but especially the lines of mother's crossed arms and her reply. I have adult sons who've dedicated seasons of their lives to blame. Those lines don't precisely resonate-- there's something slightly off key.

Unlike MaryAnn, I especially appreciated the final lines.

In addition to enjoying Siren, I took the opportunity to re-read your earlier PoemsFray offerings. Rhododendron is a particular favorite, made more so by Martin Greene's pure admiration for it. He's more than once pointed at Rhododendron to demonstrate what a poem should be. I can't disagree.

Again, thanks.

waltz and capsize

Re: What I thought I was doing
by MaryAnn

Paul, how very nice to see you here again! Has it really been four years?! Egads!

As others have said, it's always nice to know what the poet thought he was doing. It's also a bit disconcerting to read that sometimes poets don't know what they're doing (although some of the PoemsFray cynics would say it's not news to them).

It was also interesting to read that you're becoming more involved in Zen Buddhism (I love to hear we folks of a certain age are capable of change and growth) and how it affected your approach to "Siren." (Incidentally, were you also thinking of the mythological Sirens as a temptation to dwell too much on the past?)

Are you still focusing on Derek Walcott? I read several of his poems a few weeks ago and ran across an essay on him by you online. I was particularly taken by "The Season of Phantasmal Peace," but it was not, alas, well received by most folks here when I posted it.

I spent about a week in your "toddlin' town" last year and was quite impressed with what a thriving place the middle (can't remember what it's called) was - all those yuppies and renovated townhouses. I especially enjoyed a boat trip along the Chicago River going through canyons of good-looking buildings.

Also got down to Hyde Park, although at the time, your adopted son Barack wasn't quite so famous, so we didn't see his house.

Anyway, it's summertime, so I hope you have some extra time to stop by the PoemsFray from time to time.

MaryAnn

Re: What I thought I was doing
by Soccerfreak

I join others in thanking you for your generosity (and courage? :)) in responding. There is something to be learned, I think, through this exchange, hopefully by all.

I have been reading an ancient tome (published in the 1960s) called The Contemporary Poet as Artist and Critic. It includes the likes of Shapiro (Karl, not Alan), Auden, Lowell, Roethke, Wilbur, Ransom, and others. In this compilation, poets' works are read by other poets (three of them), critiqued, and then the poet responds to the criticism.

It makes for interesting reading, to be sure, even if I sense a kid gloves approach, probably understandable. Even if daggers are not hurled, there is much enlightment in the discussion and the various references to other works, even when they turn out to be the farthest thing from the poet's mind as he wrote the piece.

Again, thank you for the response.

Take care.

Re: What I thought I was doing
by Paul_Breslin SlateIcon

Mary Ann,

No longer so focused on Mr. Walcott. Have just finished a first draft of a play by Aimé Césaire, the Martinican writer who died at 94 in April--my former French tutor is collaborating with me on this project. There's a new book of my poems, _Between the Eye and the Light_, making the rounds of publishers, decisions due pretty soon. Three pieces from it will appear in the on-line journal _Narrative Magazine_ in September. Also a scholarly book about Caribbean accounts of the Haitian Revolution (DW will be included in that one), but that will take a few years.

Yes, the sirens do come into this poem for me. For some temperaments, remorse is just as much a fatal attraction as desire, every bit as likely to wreck the ship on the rocks. One is seduced into the myth of the poète maudit, doomed because of an ever-so-exquisite sensitivity. Which of course encourages doingü the next thing that will feed remorse in the future.

Spent last week in Boston at the Favorite Poem Project Institute, which brings teachers and poets together to come up with ways to get kids interested in poetry. RP is the founder and driving force behind this project; the other poets were Louise Glück, Frank Bidart, Mark Doty, and Heather McHugh. My daughter was there in her capacity as teacher at New York's Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan. An amazing week; could report on it here some time soon.

It's good to be back.

PB


Mr. Breslin, I will never be able to thank you enough.
by NoStar

Several years back, you helped me as I wrote my first pantoum "Dish It Up" as an exercise in public revising. Your help and encouragement gave me a stonger confidence in my writing ability.

I have missed your presence on the Poem fray. Others may criticize your individual works, but your worth here as a poet and especially as a teacher is invaluable. I mostly lurk without posting these days too, but I would encourage you to take a more active part in the Fray as your schedule allows. Your civil acknowledgment of White Rabbit's criticism is an example for all who feel the lash of a bad review.

You are a part of everything I write. Thank you.

Re: What I thought I was doing
by zinya
Greetings, Paul...

Welcome back (although i myself am an irregular here these days so not exactly a bona fide part of the welcoming committee) ... not sure if you would remember me - i'm not sure we directly exchanged posts in your earlier incarnation here although i can recall posting about Rhododendron for sure...

Your poem immediately touched me and, perhaps as important, gave me food for thought that i was still mulling -- about to post to soccerfreak that he and I seemed, not for the first time, to read your poem almost the same way -- when I saw your own thread here and then wondered what more i had of pertinence to say ...

but whether i do or not (have pertinence), here goes...

To me, there were more than two sirens here (in response to some posters who wanted "human voice" to refer to either the official alarm siren or to Ulysses' sirens and thus balked at the assignation) ... I read at least a third (and more metaphoric and also very complex) siren -- and for me it is tied in to the "crime" (perhaps the most intriguing -- "hook" -- line) ... I weighed such reference 'points' as guilt? haunting? perceived selfishness? abandonment (of the narrators' family members physically or emotionally)? toxic shame (for "failures" to love better)? for how distant/negligent he may have been or felt? To me, the "crime so long concealed" lay in this intermix of -- perhaps a sense -- if one word might encompass the lot -- a fear of having betrayed one's loved ones with misguided words or deeds? I found the "crime" to be both a "cold case" and a "warm case" simultaneously...

The title being simply "Siren" made me open the poem already with a Ulysses' frame to it, not expecting the fire/police alarm sense of the word. But once into the poem and the word "police" first triggered that alternate meaning, the Ulysses' sense faded into a background frame, one by which I did totally get what you now say here you were intending -- to show how drawn one can be to one's ruminations, sense of hauntings of perceived past failings, and riddled with guilts -- for things said and done that give regrets or griefs, words we would wish to take back...

It was also key, to me, the line “so many things” – but i think in a slightly different way than MaryAnn took it -- for me, that called attention to the layers of guilt -- that he'd had so many instances, so many moments where he might have reversed his 'pattern' of - what? - alienating or hurting those he loved with his self-assertions? and yet he didn’t “learn” – he kept pushing his ‘luck’, repeating same errors of human ego and 'failure' to love (the kinds of failures it takes all of us -- with the best of intentions, saying even unwittingly hurtful things)

I read the last lines as being the inner projections of the narrator -- the fact of the scenario he envisions last (I read them as alternate possibilities - fire or heart attack), I was left with a sense of the narrator identifying with and adding a layer of a kind of dread, a visceralization of his various reflected guilts, that he envisions a man perhaps not unlike himself having a heart attack ... and, in an emotional sense, that is what he has had here -- an attack of pains in his heart... it visualized to me the narrator himself "turning purple" metaphorically (and inducing his own siren - the police coming for his crime), paralleling the fire/paramedics' siren heading for the literal heart attack victim, with a kind of sudden middle-of-the-night kind of sense of panic/grief at "blockages" which had clogged up his heart in his past grapplings with love and family...

Well, it's probably me who did a fair amount of projecting here, but those were what i took from the poem upon first read yesterday, although it took a while to figure out how to articulate it ... (btw, I found each of your haunting inner voices from past family interactions to feel very real)

For me, the poem was the closest to "perfect" (and 'economical' - not a superfluous line) as I've read here in a while, i think ... And thank you so much for sharing your own process and perspective here, Paul...

zinya





The Cesaire play . . .
by Paul_Breslin SlateIcon
. . . is a translation, of course.
Re: What I thought I was doing
by falcon

It's my mother
folding her arms and saying take your anger
someplace else, it doesn't belong to me
;

In my opinion, there is something off-key about this, and it's intentional. As I read it, the mother, with her crossed arms and defensive parroting of 70s pop-psych cliche, is refusing to communicate. I see this coming in the middle of an exchange where neither mother nor son is listening to the other, but is dedicated to maintaining their own position. Somehow they give up the fight; somehow they survive.

Re: What I thought I was doing
by zinya
But I think a similar claim could be made about other of the echoing interchanges, and to me that added to the complexity. No communication is ever a one-way street.

The father (and removed one step further than the other 'voices' by being the father's ghost, rather than the father per se, even if only for the reason of indicating he's the only one of those cited who is no longer alive -- but all these voices are "ghosts" so the singling out of the father's in that wording seems of interest) who is conjured up as one who (presumably for experience, not ghostly fabrication) laid the guilt trips on the son while living as well, in just such terms .. and yet fathers greatly influence how their sons feel and display love and warmth toward them, so surely the father was not a perfect father/communicator either...

Similarly, the wife sounds pretty resigned/detached in her response to her husband's "giving up" on their marriage ... there's every likelihood in these reverberatingly-chosen wordings, imo, that husband and wife equally gave up on their marriage ...

That he ends on his daughter's voice is the most stinging, I felt - the one where indeed as parent he presumably set the pattern, where his own prior "failures" at relationship (mutually failed) bore fruit in not feeling able to keep from stinging his daughter by the same inherited thorn...

Well, that's how i saw it - and thus felt no singled-out disjunct about the portrayal of the mother as you and WNC did ... fwiw :-)
Re: What I thought I was doing
by ern malleyscrub

what I thought I was doing

and what people thought I was doing

worlds apart and not clear to either

speech catches dust or scratches in meaning

lost subtle shades become chiaroscuro ( or extreme contrast to put it mildly and obvious) although the intellect can be over rated in this guts and glory life

the mind can change like the weather and who can claim eternal rock solid truth shining down to humanity .... except any fanatic or fundamentalist with a bible or a bomb strapped firmly to their chest, horror of horrors, their fanatics are as evil and twisted as our fanatics, though I do not claim to be one of our fanatics, either....

best to lay low and pretend opinions are pure if written in English and maybe European languages, and if some laundry list is found written in Chinese, Afghany, Arabic or Russian it must obviously be a plot to blow up the world and the police should be alerted and alarmed and rattle the drums and bash the walls, because these days anything different is a source of fear, just look at that guy who is running for President, he isn't like us, so we should all be afraid and stupid, we should all worry alot about trivial rubbish instead of talking calmly about facts, this is the blessing of the internet, the dross of irrelevance and the sanctity of rumour..... Gossip becomes national policy and international titillation ... But intelligence is not compulsory.... I never said that. What would I know? I'm just a dumb white guy trapped in my cultural baggage and looking through this window of the web into a wacky world of wobbly wonder. Typing keys and tapping words on a gizmo plugged in to a huge chunk of humanity.... What does this button do??? Spacebar and pause keys.... Download and screen capture.... Meanwhile....Who controls that big red button ??? You know the one I mean, it's got doom written all over it....

Re: What I thought I was doing
by martingreene

Hi Paul. As Waltz&Cpsize ctted below, I have more than once mentioned you as an exemplar of our art, and have cited Rhodedendron as one of my favorites. (Before I forget, I lost my cellphone, and with it your cell number. Please send it to me, so we can have contact.

Presently,Marathon Man here is recovering from total Knee Replcement surgery, done at the place where the NY sports teams send their injured players: I did 15 26.2 mile races, completing all but the last two. I knew then it was time for an X ray. No complaints, but I now have a new idea of what pain can be. Tough.

Later today, like now, I will move your present poem to a Word Document, so as to be better able to make my comment. I lke to work from hard copy.

Best wishes, and I'll see you.

Re: What I thought I was doing
by waltz and capsize

Martin,

Today I sent two cards to the hospital in one envelope. I hope they find you.

waltz

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