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It's About Electability
by jacksmith
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HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:

IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania, and loss in Indiana makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Sen. Obama has zero chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources without Hillary Clinton. Zero chance.

It is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Sen. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Sen. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Sen. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Sen. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Don't be fooled by the pledged delegate, and math arguments. Neither candidate has the necessary pledged delegates. The entire delegates counts, and votes from Florida, and Michigan are not even being counted. Plus the democratic caucuses, and primarys have been heavily corrupted by fraud, and vote cheating. The only relevant question now is who can best WIN IN NOVEMBER and take back the Whitehouse for the American people. And the answer is HILLARY CLINTON. Everyone knows that now.

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)
You might be a CRACKPOT if ...
by pwoxby

"It's time for everyone to face the truth."

You might be a CRACKPOT if you think that you have a handle on the truth in politics.

"Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time."

You might be a CRACKPOT if you think that you can predict the future in politics.

"Plus the democratic caucuses, and primarys have been heavily corrupted by fraud, and vote cheating."

You might be a CRACKPOT if you are obsessed with plots and conspiracies

"And the answer is HILLARY CLINTON. Everyone knows that now."

You might be a CRACKPOT if you presume to speak for everyone else.

"I have been under heavy attacks for some time now."

You might be a CRACKPOT if you suffer from a persecution complex.

Obama 08!

Re: It's About Electability
by Dausuul

Everyone knows that? Funny, I didn't get the memo. Neither did a whole lot of superdelegates, people who live and breathe politics.

Clinton started this race with every advantage, and she let them slip through her fingers. Obama started as the underdog and clawed his way up. He has demonstrated, not just excellent organizational skills and oratory, but an astonishing capacity to learn from his own and others' mistakes.

Meanwhile, he's gone very, very easy on Clinton, much easier than the Republicans would have done. The Clintons have a wealth of scandals for the Republicans to rake up. There are the old scandals from the Clinton presidency, to rally Republican stalwarts. And there are the new scandals from the last eight years, to worry independent voters. See for example this one:

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As for Pennsylvania et al., the outcome of a Democratic primary says virtually nothing about how the general election will turn out.

Re: It's About Electability
by lattelibertarian

FYI:

Jacksmith isn't really so much what you'd call a 'sane person'. He, she or it is a troll dedicated to spamming public messageboards with oddly-punctuated nonsense.

Re: It's About Electability
by NightSwimmer
It requires a lot of chutzpah to insist that you are more "electable" after having just lost an election.
The only "truth" to be faced...
by maroci

...is that you haven't got the first fucking clue what you're babbling about.

If you think the Repuke machine has "unlimited resources" then you need to get a clue. McCain is begging for money and will have to go on public financing -- the political equivalent of food stamps -- for the general election. Obama is rolling in it.

And there have been no allegations of significant fraud. You're an idiot.

Your girl lost. Stop your pathetic whining and get over it.

Re: It's About Electability
by progressivebulldog

Jack,

So what you're saying is that just because Hillary received more votes than Obama in Pennsylvania and Indidana that Obama can't win? So these working class Democratic voters won't vote for Obama even though his policies are nearly identical to Hillary's? That instead of voting for him they'll vote for McCain?

Democratic voters generally vote for the Democratic candidate. In 2004 I supported Howard Dean but I voted for John Kerry not because I particularly liked the guy but because he was the Democratic nominee.

Most of Hillary's supporters will vote for Obama but what if Hillary were to "win" now even though she's behind in delegates, popular votes and in the percentage of votes cast? Don't you think that if she were to basically steal the election from the person more people voted for that it might create a backlash? It seems more likely to me than your prediction although I'll bet if Hillary did "win" the nomination most Obama supporters would hold their nose and vote for her.

Then again if Hillary does "win" I'll vote for a third party in November. Of course this won't happen. Like it or not Obama is the nominee and I'm confidant he'll be our next president too.

Re: It's About Electability
by dsimon

Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania, and loss in Indiana makes that fact crystal clear.

It's wrong to use primary results to predict general election results because the opponent will not be Clinton; it will be McCain. And many PA polls show Obama up against McCain, which is the kind of number one should be looking at, not how Obama does against Clinton in PA.

And four of the last five head-to-head polls against McCain have Obama doing better than Clinton in Indiana. (Some have both of them losing to McCain, but Obama still doing better.)

Please, please don't buy into the Clinton argument that primary results can be extrapolated to November. They can't. And I think the Clinton campaign knew it all along, but they just don't have any other arguments left--not that it excuses them from making one that's so patently invalid.

Re: It's About Electability
by NightSwimmer
Clinton's arguments don't have to make sense, they are designed for her constituency. Think about that for a moment.
Re: It's About Electability
by greywerld
clinton is less electable because she energizes the gops more than she does the dems. the gops were praying for a clinton victory.
Re: It's About Electability
by progressivebulldog

greywerld:
clinton is less electable because she energizes the gops more than she does the dems. the gops were praying for a clinton victory.

and they were dissapointed. They'll be dissapointed even more in November.

Re: It's About Electability
by Lalex

Gatewood,

Is that you in there? ( Gatewood ex machina? NOT!!) Do you have no scruples, man? If ya’ stepped any lower to make your point about Obama or Hillary, you’d break an ankle, maybe two!! I’m sure there’s a special dungeon in the basement of Slate for people like you. (Only joking).

If writing half the posts in the Fray wasn’t enough – as one Frayster remarked – you had to come up with a way around it, huh, pretending you was somebody else! Well of all the lowly…(Well, enough bellyaching! NOT!)

And the nom de plume, for God’s sake! Jack Smith? How ‘bout John Doe? Now, that woulda’ been classy. But nooo.

Re: It's About Electability
by dgv956

You might be a crackpot if:

You are literate, can read, can think independently and yet STILL BELIEVE that one of these candidates has been honest and gives you the hope you so fastidiously cling to.

You might also be a crackpot if:

You buy into all of this particular candidate's fancy words so wholeheartedly that you can no longer think independently.

And no...I am not a Hillary supporter or a McCain supporter...I can just see right through what is so obvious. I am not so easily fooled. Call me what you like. I won't argue with you. My mind and heart tell me all I need to know...and I'm very concerned!

Re: It's About Electability
by Pmbster

What people on Hillary's side never ever mention when discussing how the math works so bloody well for them against Obama is the number of people who appear eager to vote against her in a general election, and I am not talking about democrats here!

Look at only the democrats you got maybe her, maybe him, maybe this, maybe that. But add in the GOP masses who water at the mouth against the Clintons like a lot of us unfortunately do at the mere name of BuckFush, and I very seriously cannot believe Hillary walks around and claims she is more electable.

Period.

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