Don Schenk:

"The Song of Songs [or Canticle of Canticles], of Solomon" is indeed part of Scripture--and it's usually interpreted as a poetic metaphor for God's love affair with His people.

San:

Song of Solomon is not official Scripture, and wasn't officially written by Solomon or anyone else of his status.

Yup.

I just took to quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia when he got things 'wrong' from a Catholic standpoint. Since he said he was one.

My favorite was the time when he insisted that the people who went on the first Crusade were from "Poland" which didn't exist in 1095, so he then said 'Duchy of Warsaw' which had been created by Napoleon, he changed it to just "Warsaw" which wasn't founded until the 13th century, then he fell to 'you know that area' . Which I informed him was basically "Polesie/Polesia"..

But no. It was Northern France and Peter the Hermit.

I routinely misdoubted his 'credentials and education'.

i donno, personality makes a big difference, but some people like em skinny, and some fat..no one is wrong, just different..

What is the purpose or resurrecting a dead thread from 8 months ago? Especially to make as inane a comment as that one?

Wrenn:

Ghods...

Someone dredged up a 'San' thread.

I'm getting all nostalgic and teary eyed...

He's wrong about the Brits though. They don't like skinnyanywhere near as much, compared to Americans.

;-)

What, with women like Keira Knightley, Kate Moss, Keeley Hazell, and Elizabeth Hurley? Haha, I don't think any of them have larger than a 26 inch waistline you moron.

But keep telling yourself that, "Wrenn". It's all about self esteem! We wouldn't want your feelings all hurt now would we? Just keep knocking those "evil" skinny women to make yourself feel better about your flabby fucking ass. Hell, invite a few of your fatass friends over and watch Phat Girlz while chomping down on endless buckets of fried chicken. It's definitely going to do wonders for your self esteem, but you'll still be fat and ugly!

And if it's just Americans that like skinny, why do the British constantly make fun of Americans for being obese? Obviously you can't speak for the British, rofl.


;-D

F*ck this whole "thick" trend. I can't believe how many people nowadays have actually given into this degeneracy. It's really sad seeing girls that think putting on a bunch of pounds will help with their physique, when in reality after scrunching into those tight low rise jeans they become grotesque muffin tops as their fat flabby abdomen just spills over the waistline. It's people like all of you who keep cheering these fatties on and are responsible for these sickening new sights as well as the fact that over 2/3 of Americans are obese.

I'm thinking all of you are either overweight yourselves or are genuinely into those borderline fatasses to be obsessively trashing skinny FIT girls. Wake up people. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with FIT skinny girls so long as it doesn't step into the boundary of anorexic or bulimic, but that's just common sense. No need to make gross exaggerations against skinny fit girls by calling them "underaged pre-pubescent boys".

Nice round curvy asses are beautiful but they should be delicately sized like Jessica Alba's or Adriana Lima's. BIG asses like that monstrosity attached to Kim Kardashian are FUCKING disgusting. What is this world coming to when people can actually praise elephant sized "booties" that can be likened to an ass of a defensive tackle in the National Football League! There is just no way these mutants can possibly wipe that thing clean (in less than 5 hours anyway!).

So San I salute you for being one of the few in this message board with some sense and most importantly, taste.

Just wondering who the straight people are. And when you find out, also find out who the crooked people are. In America we call people by what they choose to be called. We call African Americans, African Americans, not coloreds or Negroes, or much worse. We call Jewish people Jews, not a derogatory name. We don’t call homosexuals any of the many bad names we have for them. We show them the proper respect by calling them by their chosen name; Gays. Regular normal people don’t want to be called the derogatory name that gays have chosen for us: “Straight”. Non-homosexuals didn’t start a campaign to have themselves called straight. This slur is an invention of the gay lobby, and is their way of insulting us. It is time Slate and all MSM stopped the hateful name calling. We are not defined in relation to a homosexual live style. We choose to be called "Normal", and not the mocking slur “Straight” that was chosen by a hostile minority. I hope the PD readers and subscribers will let the editors know, it is time to respect the rights of normal people.

First of all, Blake, I'm not 'obese'. I'm just not skinny, and have never/can never be, unless I resort to reduction surgery, as three of my cousins have. I don't have a 'problem' with skinny women, as you seem to think... Why would you think that? As far as personal self esteem... <rotflmaostc> I've never had a problem with that.

I haven't heard that the British 'constantly make fun of americans for being obese'. In point of fact, as you can see by their online comments on various newsoutlets, they complain about how female stars (Like Kiera) are - to damn skinny.

I, however, have personal experience regarding englishmen, or rather, Londoners, as I am over 'that side of the pond' on a regular basis. For business and for pleasure.

I am constantly surprised as to the degree of attention I get there. I get attention over here, but not to the extent I see it in London. It can't all be because I'm a red-head. The *second* time I turned down a guy almost 20 years my junior made me pause and take stock of the situation. (That doesn't happen here, it does, however, happen there. I know I don't look my age but... both times, I told them how old I actually was, and they didn't care. I turned them down, and they stayed, hung out, and talked with me.) <shrug>

blakeconway:

Wrenn:

Ghods...

Someone dredged up a 'San' thread.

I'm getting all nostalgic and teary eyed...

He's wrong about the Brits though. They don't like skinnyanywhere near as much, compared to Americans.

;-)

What, with women like Keira Knightley, Kate Moss, Keeley Hazell, and Elizabeth Hurley? Haha, I don't think any of them have larger than a 26 inch waistline you moron.

But keep telling yourself that, "Wrenn". It's all about self esteem! We wouldn't want your feelings all hurt now would we? Just keep knocking those "evil" skinny women to make yourself feel better about your flabby fucking ass. Hell, invite a few of your fatass friends over and watch Phat Girlz while chomping down on endless buckets of fried chicken. It's definitely going to do wonders for your self esteem, but you'll still be fat and ugly!

And if it's just Americans that like skinny, why do the British constantly make fun of Americans for being obese? Obviously you can't speak for the British, rofl.


;-D

On the other hand, it amuses me how the tabloids run a picture of Britney Spears from in front for their "best beach bodies" issues, then run a picture of her from the side for their "Britney is putting on weight!" issues. Yes, Britney has a bit of a belly, but she always did; it's just that, thanks to exercise, her chest and hips stick out even more.

And if you think that Brits only go for girls who are as skinny as models, apparently you haven't seen too many "page three girls" that appear topless in their family newspapers. 1980s one-hit wonder Samantha Fox started out as a plump, brunette, 16-year-old page three girl. (Yes, 16 is old enough to pose topless in Britain.)

Gee... Wrenn, thanks for the long-winded and gut wrenchingly boring essay. Did I hurt your E-ego that badly? Seriously, what compelled you to tell me all of that?

Wrenn:

I am constantly surprised as to the degree of attention I get there. I get attention over here, but not to the extent I see it in London. It can't all be because I'm a red-head. The *second* time I turned down a guy almost 20 years my junior made me pause and take stock of the situation. (That doesn't happen here, it does, however, happen there. I know I don't look my age but... both times, I told them how old I actually was, and they didn't care. I turned them down, and they stayed, hung out, and talked with me.) <shrug>

God, you're boring. The english hate gingers you idiot! You actually almost had me fooled up until this. Hating redheads is practically imbued in their culture. They even burned redheads at stake during the Middle Ages. Your credibility is laughable at best. Nice story, though. You must be one of those people that are so pathetic in the real world that you have to forge fake personas on the internet. An obese pathological liar, that doesn't surprise me.

Don Schenk:

And if you think that Brits only go for girls who are as skinny as models, apparently you haven't seen too many "page three girls" that appear topless in their family newspapers. 1980s one-hit wonder Samantha Fox started out as a plump, brunette, 16-year-old page three girl. (Yes, 16 is old enough to pose topless in Britain.)

You're clutching at straws.

Busty butterfaced one hit wonder from the '80s vs. ideal women like Keira Knightley, Kate Moss, Keeley Hazell, and Elizabeth Hurley? Don't be ridiculous.

Megan Fox > Samantha Fox

And that pretty much sums it up.

Child...

Now I know I can ignore you, you have proved yourself a troll.

This is for exchange of ideas and thoughts. That is what forums are for. You like your put-downs, perhaps they make up for some of the many lacks in your life. Take them elsewhere.

I am Wrenn almost everywhere on the net. I have been, back to Usenet days. I do not say anything to anyone that I wouldn't say to them face to face. You have proven that you don't keep to the same standards.

Your petty diatribe means less than nothing to me.

Enjoy your mother's basement, your retail job and your dial up connection. I have a life to live.

I would say, grow up. But I somehow doubt that.

blake doesn't get out much. Or know much about England.

It's more that red-heads (Irish ones) don't like englishmen, than the other way around.

As far as red-heads go there's- Lily Cole. (One of the main current faces of Mark and Spencer)

I have noted though. that there were very few (non obvious out of a bottle) red-heads there, at least in London. A much higher percentage of natural blondes than on this side of the pond though.

Joyce Cary in his essays Art and Reality framed the premise of this argument as such, as paraphrased: the artist seeks to develop his intuitive appreciation of aesthetic beauty by experiencing life which would in turn enhance intuitiveness.

Unfortunately, this leads many artists, in their attempt to "experience life and develop their intuitiveness", to also engage in immorality and nurture immoral standards.

What does this have to do with this discussion?

Fashion designers, fashion photographers, cinematographers, cinema and TV directors are essentially artists who apply art to fashion, media and technology. Moreover, the artist's perception of 'beauty' is translated in their product, whether its fashion, movies, TV, etc. If that artist him/her self holds a debaucherous or immoral perception of beauty, this translates into his product. Hence, Francis Bacon and his wonderful flower garden works (joke).

Today, the average man continues to be caught between his personal perceptions of beauty often associated with the women in his life, and the massive, all encompassing, often immoral media depiction of beauty. Most men associate beauty first as little boys with their mother, then they expand from there. If his mother is very thin and dainty, it is likely as an adult, a man finds thin dainty women appealing. If his mother was buxom and volumptuous, it is likely as an adult, he finds buxom volumptuous women appealing. This is not definitive, but the template for most humans. Nor is this incestuous or Oedipal. It just is. Many men develop this far beyond this, thus finding women of various races, ethnicities, sizes, ages, etc. beautiful and appealing.

The conflict arises when media's portrayal of beauty continues to push the boundaries of normality, as in growing trends of androgyny in fashion, cinema, TV, etc. An artist who lusts after boys will often translate that into his fashion designs, or photography, or etc for both men and women. Abercrombie & Fitch photography, or Bennetton, or many other kinds of medians.

So these are some concepts to think about: what is the origin of your thought of aesthetic beauty? Are you letting miscreants in Hollywood, New York, or London determine what is sexy of beautiful for you?

BTW, Sophia Loren is still so beautiful and appealing every past age 70- I just wanted to say that, lol.

blakeconway:

Don Schenk:

And if you think that Brits only go for girls who are as skinny as models, apparently you haven't seen too many "page three girls" that appear topless in their family newspapers. 1980s one-hit wonder Samantha Fox started out as a plump, brunette, 16-year-old page three girl. (Yes, 16 is old enough to pose topless in Britain.)

You're clutching at straws.

Busty butterfaced one hit wonder from the '80s vs. ideal women like Keira Knightley, Kate Moss, Keeley Hazell, and Elizabeth Hurley? Don't be ridiculous.

Megan Fox > Samantha Fox

And that pretty much sums it up.

Here's some more "straws" that the typical heterosexual British male holds as ideal:

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It depends on what you mean by "fat ass". If you mean a woman who is obviously obese then yes, that's pretty gross. But if you're referring to the many of us out there that excersize and eat fairly healthy but actually have hips (and maybe a bubble butt!) then you sir are a dumbass. Say it with me now kids: "Dumb a-s-s".

You sound like a prick honestly, who cares what you think anyway? Are you a beauty contest judge? That's the only thing i can think of that would even give you the ability to try and judge anyone on their physique. IF they were in the beauty pagent. Otherwise keep your trap shut or i'll go find the biggest ass i can and have her (or him!) sit on your face! Bwaahhahaha!

Seriously, does anyone ever actually date this guy??